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manchesters 13-11-22 10:24 PM
The Cenotaph Today - Some Observations.
 
Hello,

A few points re badges at the Cenotaph today.

1. Didnt see any new Kings Crown badges worn? Did anyone.

2. The EIIR Royal Cypher was worn on the shoulders of the Royals and equerry's etc. Is that a thing to still display those of a recently deceased Monarch or should they now be CIIIR. I dont know the answer.

3. The Queen Consort was wearing two military badges on her coat collar. The first was a large silver 'Rifles' bugle horn with QC and the second was the Special Reconnaissance Regiment which was interesting.

Anyone else spot anything badge related.

regards

mike_vee 14-11-22 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by manchesters (Post 591106)
3. The Queen Consort was wearing two military badges on her coat collar. The first was a large silver 'Rifles' bugle horn with QC and the second was the Special Reconnaissance Regiment which was interesting.
She took over as Colonel-in-Chief of the Rifles from the Duke of Edinburgh in 2020 and it was 'revealed' in the media in 2016 that she had been appointed Colonel-in-Chief of the Special Reconnaissance Regiment.

The fact she didn't wear the SRR badge at the Field of Remembrance or at the Festival of Remembrance is interesting.

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manchesters 14-11-22 08:26 AM
thanks Mike

mike_vee 14-11-22 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by manchesters (Post 591106)
2. The EIIR Royal Cypher was worn on the shoulders of the Royals and equerry's etc. Is that a thing to still display those of a recently deceased Monarch or should they now be CIIIR. I dont know the answer.
Found one article which states :

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Though it was his first Remembrance Sunday service as monarch, King Charles III kept his late mother close, wearing the cypher of Queen Elizabeth II on his military uniform at the Cenotaph.

This is due to a gradual process that will see the late Queen’s cypher retired from military uniforms only as badges, buttons and other insignia run out; until then, military personnel will continue to wear ‘EIIR’ on their uniforms and new uniforms will be issued with ‘EIIR’ as well.

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Wmr-RHB 14-11-22 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by manchesters (Post 591106)

2. The EIIR Royal Cypher was worn on the shoulders of the Royals and equerry's etc. Is that a thing to still display those of a recently deceased Monarch or should they now be CIIIR. I dont know the answer.
They do not change. If someone, who was already equerry etc. to EIIR, now also becomes one to CIIIR, a badge will be added.

I have seen a uniform in a museum (long ago, maybe IWM) with three of those on his shoulders to three different monarchs.

And he king was wearing an EIIR, Would be strange to change that to CIIIR, make him looking as equerry to himself, wouldn't it?

Wmr-RHB 14-11-22 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by mike_vee (Post 591122)
Found one article which states :
I think the second part of your quoted article is true, but is not applicable to the first. The king simply wears EIIR on his shoulders because he is entitled to it. Regardless of his personal feelings with respect to his mother. I guess the author does not understand the meaning of those cyphers on the shoulder.

mike_vee 14-11-22 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Wmr-RHB (Post 591124)
I think the second part of your quoted article is true, but is not applicable to the first. The king simply wears EIIR on his shoulders because he is entitled to it. Regardless of his personal feelings with respect to his mother. I guess the author does not understand the meaning of those cyphers on the shoulder.

I guess their thinking was that as the appointment was to a specific monarch it would no longer apply when a new monarch took over. The King will appoint his own Personal ADC's . :confused:

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10.6. The following appointments are entitled to wear the Royal Cypher on the tags of aiguillettes for the duration of their appointment.

a. Personal ADC to the Sovereign
b. Equerries to the Sovereign
c. Defence Services Secretary
d. Major General Household Division

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fusilier27 14-11-22 12:08 PM
Kings crown
 
At the festival of remembrance Albert hall the banner over the kings box had a kings crown on the coat of arms did any one else see it

Rob Miller 14-11-22 12:52 PM
Yes I did and without the Crowned Lion on top.

I particularly enjoyed the bit at the Cenotaph when the former Prime Ministers were leaving and Dimbleby forgot Boris Johnson fist name and called him Brian.

manchesters 14-11-22 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob Miller (Post 591141)
Yes I did and without the Crowned Lion on top.

I particularly enjoyed the bit at the Cenotaph when the former Prime Ministers were leaving and Dimbleby forgot Boris Johnson fist name and called him Brian.
:D:D:D

Wmr-RHB 15-11-22 08:44 AM
I checked it and I am pretty sure the the uniform with the three cypher and crown badges I once saw exhibited was of the late Duke of Gloucester (1900-1974). Just for the record.
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grey_green_acorn 15-11-22 10:05 AM
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Also Earl Mountbatten.
He was appointed personal aide-de-camp by Edward VIII, George VI and Elizabeth II, and therefore bore the unusual distinction of being allowed to wear three royal cyphers on his shoulder straps.

mike_vee 15-11-22 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Wmr-RHB (Post 591179)
I checked it and I am pretty sure the the uniform with the three cypher and crown badges I once saw exhibited was of the late Duke of Gloucester (1900-1974). Just for the record.
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Looks like he could have worn four !

From a 1957 "SINGAPORE GOVERNMENT PRESS STATEMENT" :

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He has been personal A.D.C. to four sovereigns, his father and two brothers, and his niece Queen Elizabeth II.
https://www.nas.gov.sg/archivesonlin...R19570704a.pdf

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mike_vee 15-11-22 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by grey_green_acorn (Post 591182)
Also Earl Mountbatten.
He was appointed personal aide-de-camp by Edward VIII, George VI and Elizabeth II, and therefore bore the unusual distinction of being allowed to wear three royal cyphers on his shoulder straps.
Great photo.

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altcar73 15-11-22 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by grey_green_acorn (Post 591182)
Also Earl Mountbatten.
He was appointed personal aide-de-camp by Edward VIII, George VI and Elizabeth II, and therefore bore the unusual distinction of being allowed to wear three royal cyphers on his shoulder straps.
He would also wear any other badge or medal he could lay his hands on. I read that if he heard of a medal being awarded (anywhere) he would fire off a letter asking that he be sent one, whether entitled to it or not!

If he were alive today, he'd probably collect tie pins and challenge coins!

Dave.


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