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ARTY 29-08-16 07:17 PM

Thanks Alan all very informative to a novice on fakes like myself. What does die strike reverse mean.
arty

Alan O 29-08-16 07:23 PM

Die cast = solid back with no detail

Die struck = mirror image of front detail.

hagwalther 29-08-16 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan O (Post 373407)
Die cast = solid back with no detail

Die struck = mirror image of front detail.

Hi Alan,

Die Cast - injection molding if two dies used or open cast if no reverse die.

Die Struck - Two dies (obverse and reverse) brought together under pressure of which the rear my be blank, a mirror image or of rough detail.

See Fake and Repros chapter of my book.

Regards,

Chris

irishhorse 30-08-16 05:45 PM

QRIH A/A Cap Badge With Silver Crown.
 
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Not sure if this is of interest. A QRIH A/A cap badge with silver crown not the usual gold. By J.R. GAUNT B'HAM.

KLR 30-08-16 06:17 PM

Straying away from AA - I have some bronze OSDs which look'die struck' . Isthis possible within thin metal and cheaply produced ??
Also some whichhave a 'plain' reverse and some with only a minor indentation - eg a "depression" in the area of the horse's back.

hagwalther 30-08-16 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KLR (Post 373511)
Straying away from AA - I have some bronze OSDs which look'die struck' . Isthis possible within thin metal and cheaply produced ??
Also some whichhave a 'plain' reverse and some with only a minor indentation - eg a "depression" in the area of the horse's back.

Hi Julian,

Related to the thickness of the metal used perhaps...?

Regards,

Chris

John Mulcahy 30-08-16 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irishhorse (Post 373507)
Not sure if this is of interest. A QRIH A/A cap badge with silver crown not the usual gold. By J.R. GAUNT B'HAM.

That is interesting, can we assume an incomplete production?

John

hagwalther 30-08-16 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Mulcahy (Post 373546)
That is interesting, can we assume an incomplete production?

John

Hi John,

Probably incorrectly made.

Back of badge is gold so this was the last colour used in colouring this badge.

As crown is also silver it seems that it was accidently 'stopped off' post silver dye application together with badge's harp and scroll.

Badge then dyed gold and later stop off paint removed reveling previously dyed silver harp, scroll and crown.

Badge would then be boiled in distilled water to seal aluminium pores and prevent ingress of dirt into the aluminium.

Which is why they 'stay bright' ...

Regards,

Chris

John Mulcahy 31-08-16 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hagwalther (Post 373547)
Hi John,

Probably incorrectly made.

Back of badge is gold so this was the last colour used in colouring this badge.

As crown is also silver it seems that it was accidently 'stopped off' post silver dye application together with badge's harp and scroll.

Badge then dyed gold and later stop off paint removed reveling previously dyed silver harp, scroll and crown.

Badge would then be boiled in distilled water to seal aluminium pores and prevent ingress of dirt into the aluminium.

Which is why they 'stay bright' ...

Regards,

Chris

thanks Chris, as I thought.

John

engr9266 31-08-16 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan O (Post 354372)
An badge that was not authorised for production for the Nortfolk Yeomanry.

It has been suggested that it was actually used by Royal parks staff and the like.

Firmin maker's mark.

Die cast reverse.

I have the following badges which are for GOVENMENT SERVICE/ROYAL HOUSEHOLD. Two in gold A/A and one in silver A/A (I have seen the silver one being worn by the Queens driver)
Maker in order-FIRMIN LONDON, No maker, FIRMIN.
Badge are the same size, Middle one shows smaller.

Phil2M 31-08-16 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan O (Post 354372)
An badge that was not authorised for production for the Nortfolk Yeomanry.

It has been suggested that it was actually used by Royal parks staff and the like.

Firmin maker's mark.

Die cast reverse.


I have the silver a/a version. Alan, if you are wanting to sell your gold version, please pm me :)

tonyb 31-08-16 10:28 AM

Gerry and Phil, I've seen the silver version worn by security staff on the gate and entrance of Scotland Yard.
Tony.

red rags 09-09-16 07:47 AM

Off message a bit?
 
The title of this post drew me in...

I am currently a reservist. Some of my units trade badges seem never to have been available, or at least not in the memory of my major unit! I have seen 1 which was manufactured c 1968.

So we normally OFFICIALLY, or with tacit approval, employ Gurkha badges & obtain same via official channels, for those not available as the colours are just reversed.

I have just had made a small batch of a rather obscure one.

If they are the correct colours & ARE being worn when do they qualify as 'official'.

In my humble opinion if a badge is worn it's REAL.

manchesters 09-09-16 10:06 AM

Red Rags,

I would be interested to see what badge you have made if possible.

regards

JerryBB 19-10-16 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan O (Post 354388)
A copy of a badge that was authorised for production.

Die struck with blank slider.

Other than the missing maker mark, are these not identical to the "official" version, in two colours etc. Hard to say from your pics if this is all silver or silver and gold.
I have one in two colours that came from a"reputable" dealer, not silly money but a shame to think it is now worth nothing. With the new rules in the sales section, does this mean it could not be sold on the forum?


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