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    Photo showing the 22nd Batt. 1st WW cap badges with the nowadays IMO scarce beaver collars, first issued to the original contingent.Library and Archives Canada/PA-008063

    "There truly exists but one perfect order: that of cemeteries. The dead never complain and they enjoy their equality in silence." -

    “There are things we know that we know,” “There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don't know.”
    Donald Rumsfeld, before the Iraqi Invasion,2003.

    Age is something that doesn't matter, unless you are a cheese.

  • #2
    Yes scarce, C22s almost impossible, and all shoulder numbers are uncommon.
    Dan

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    • #3
      Somewhere, there was a discussion about the C/22 collars, and in the 22nd Bn only the officers wore them?
      Res ipsa loquitur

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bill A View Post
        Somewhere, there was a discussion about the C/22 collars, and in the 22nd Bn only the officers wore them?
        I think you are right Bill.I can tell that in these parts the collars are worth their weight in gold. I still haven't found yet a period photograph showing an officer of the 22nd Batt. wearing the beaver collars.

        Jo
        "There truly exists but one perfect order: that of cemeteries. The dead never complain and they enjoy their equality in silence." -

        “There are things we know that we know,” “There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don't know.”
        Donald Rumsfeld, before the Iraqi Invasion,2003.

        Age is something that doesn't matter, unless you are a cheese.

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        • #5
          Major C. Fontaine MC. 22nd Battalion,(Quebec Regiment), Canadian Expeditionary Force. © IWM (HU 122206)





          Lieutenant E Streun. 22nd Battalion, (Quebec Regiment), Canadian Expeditionary Force. © IWM (HU 118709)

          "There truly exists but one perfect order: that of cemeteries. The dead never complain and they enjoy their equality in silence." -

          “There are things we know that we know,” “There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don't know.”
          Donald Rumsfeld, before the Iraqi Invasion,2003.

          Age is something that doesn't matter, unless you are a cheese.

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          • #6
            I will take the lot!

            Hens teeth category!
            "Some cause happiness wherever they go, others,whenever they go!

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            • #7
              22nd Bn Interim Cap Badge

              All:
              Great post with some great badges and pictures. Here is an example of a 22nd interim cap badge with a "Caron Bros Montreal 1915" silver plated leaf. On the leaf is a "22" done in gilt on sterling silver. A beautiful cap badge in the hand.
              Don
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              • #8
                That's a great find Don and, it's probably as scarce as a pair of 22nd Bn. beaver collars.

                Jo
                "There truly exists but one perfect order: that of cemeteries. The dead never complain and they enjoy their equality in silence." -

                “There are things we know that we know,” “There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don't know.”
                Donald Rumsfeld, before the Iraqi Invasion,2003.

                Age is something that doesn't matter, unless you are a cheese.

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                • #9
                  That is one scarce badge Don. Good catch.
                  Res ipsa loquitur

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                  • #10
                    nice one Don!

                    Greg

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                    • #11
                      Bonjour ou bonsoir à tous,
                      Je suis content de revoir ce post.
                      Le 22ème (Vandoss) est toujours considéré comme un bataillon exceptionnel ici dans ma petite région.
                      Ils ont combattu à Vimy Ridge, Hill 60, et surtout se sont fait massacrer fin août 1918 à Chérisy, le long de la route Arras Cambrai
                      "À la fin de la Première Guerre mondiale, le 22e Bataillon compte 1 074 morts et 2 887 blessés ; ce qui représente une perte de 67 % de l'effectif total de 5 919 militaires" cf le net.
                      Ici on ne les a pas oubliés.Je suis collectionneur mais pour le souvenir.


                      Hello or good evening everyone,
                      I'm happy to review this post.
                      The 22nd (Vandoss) is still considered an exceptional battalion here in my small region.
                      They fought at Vimy Ridge, Hill 60 and especially were massacred at the end of August 1918 in Chérisy, along the Arras Cambrai road
                      "At the end of the First World War, the 22nd Battalion has 1,074 dead and 2,887 wounded, which represents a 67% loss of the total strength of 5,919 soldiers", see the net.
                      Here we have not forgotten them. I am a collector but for the memory.

                      Jean Paul
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                      • #12
                        Merci Jean-Paul.
                        Jo
                        "There truly exists but one perfect order: that of cemeteries. The dead never complain and they enjoy their equality in silence." -

                        “There are things we know that we know,” “There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don't know.”
                        Donald Rumsfeld, before the Iraqi Invasion,2003.

                        Age is something that doesn't matter, unless you are a cheese.

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                        • #13
                          The "22" Beaver Badge

                          If you look in Charlton's catalogue you also see an example of the 22nd Bn badge with the "22" on it. Is it certain that the 22 was added to the beaver badge before the end of WW!? If it came into use at the end of WW1 was it a fixture from that time onward? Obviously the older badges would take time to run through the system.

                          Are there known tells of design of the die or maker marks or badge finish that define a badge as clearly being a CEF badge of the 22nd? That is to say, is there a way of dating a beaver badge with or without a 22 on it? There are also, out there, lots of 22nd Bn badges with a white metal or silver overlay on them. Did all of these occur in the mid war period up until the 1952 period of the change over of the crown?

                          It can be confusing when a unit uses basically the same badge for over a century.
                          Thank you
                          Don

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