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    245th or Grenadier Guards?

    To help me both understand and make the book project a more valid reference, I need some help.

    First the question of whether a cap badge is 245thA or whether it is Canadian Grenadier Guards post WW1 cap badge. Is there a way to tell the difference, for example number of flames or shape of the flames?

    The collars in brass with the brass overlay, were they used after WW1 or not? It is odd to put a brass overlay on a brass badge I would say.
    Thank you
    Don
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    #2
    Don, the CGG badge that is imaged is the post war type. The post war badges used a different brass planchet.
    Res ipsa loquitur

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      #3
      Don, some more threads related to your question:
      http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...enadier+flames
      http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ead.php?t=2887
      and maybe some info to be gleaned from this one:
      http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...enadier+flames
      Res ipsa loquitur

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        #4
        Bill:
        Thank you for the response. Do you have any thoughts on the collars?
        Don

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          #5
          Hi Don, I don't like the collars. Again, the brass used to make them is not the type used to stamp First WW badges. They are far too bright for the time period. And, like you say, why a brass overlay on brass?
          Res ipsa loquitur

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            #6
            http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/can...ce/cef_e87.htm

            http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/can...ards/index.htm
            Courtesy of The Canadian Forces:
            http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhh-dhp/index-eng.asp

            Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur

            Hanlon's razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

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              #7
              Bill:
              Interesting to note that the 245A or 245B in Charltons list the OR's grenade cap as pickled brass with brass overlay. Maybe that gave them the opportunity to use up the grenade caps that had no cypher on them, or perhaps to use the same dies and just make and add the cypher. I don't think that I have ever seen that construction.
              Don

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                #8
                Hi Don, I had my officers 245 CEF stuff handy so I took a quick pic. At least in the case of the officers issue it appears that they welded a 245 over the 87th CEF collar.

                Cheers,

                Greg
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                  #9
                  Greg:
                  Great picture of great badges. Now I can say that I have actually seen one with an overlay on the grenade of the cap. It is also interesting how they did up the collars. So in that picture I see the cap badge displayed on page 384 of Charltons with the collars displayed on page 383 of Charltons. This photo gives me something to aim for.
                  Thank you
                  Don

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                    #10
                    Hi Greg, nice set of 245th badges.
                    Do you still gave them?
                    Any chance you would be open to selling or trading for them?

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                      #11
                      Hi there, still have them but really looking for trades now. PM me and we can chat.

                      Greg

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                        #12
                        Here is front and back on my CEF GG badge.

                        Greg
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                          #13
                          Hi Greg, the badge looks to be on a souvenir belt. Any chance of a picture of it?

                          Thanks Paul

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