1st airlanding battalion the Border regiment shoulder title

[Luc]

As promised, examples of the unofficial shoulder title worn by the airlanding battalion, the Border regiment.
First, the pattern that is widely accepted as worn in WW2.

[Luc]

Secondly, an almost identical pattern but with thinner stitching. Again, the stitching doesn't go through the purple back.

Age is disputed.

[Luc]

Two slightly different post-war examples. Note that the stitching goes through the purple backing.

[Frank Kelley]

Hello Luc,
Now that is interesting, I was under the impression that by mid 1944 some of these were made all in one, with the embroidery being done directly onto both the pieces of fabric, by the Royal School of Needlework.
Kind regards Frank

[wright241]

Luc,
Interesting information Luc. I assume that this one - apart from the "cleaner" rear stitching is of the post war 2nd type in your last post showing the two types. There are still a few cotton (they don't melt) threads from where it was sewn on.
David

[Luc]

Frank, no this type is definately post-war. I have seen a picture of a sealed example somewhere; I will try to find it.

David, yes that is a good example of the post-war pattern.

[Luc]

Originally Posted by Luc

I have seen a picture of a sealed example somewhere

My mistake, it is an almost identical badge but with green stitching. Still, both are considered post-war made.

[Frank Kelley]

Hello Luc,
I feel it rather depends on both why and who considers them to be post war
I think that it is often very unwise to go with information on pattern/sample boards, as far as dates are concerned, it can often be misleading, with the same badge being sent out to contractors on more than one occasion, all the more so when a particular manufacturing detail of a said badge is the point in question and not the actual badge itself.
Having said that I really can't remember why I am thinking about the actual dates of these titles, perhaps it came from Clare Miller, of course, it is too late to ask her now.
Kind regards Frank

Originally Posted by Luc

My mistake, it is an almost identical badge but with green stitching. Still, both are considered post-war made.

[Luc]

Good points Frank.

In this case, my opinion is not based on the sealed pattern alone, there is no reason at all to assume it is wartime.

[Frank Kelley]

Hello Luc,
So how have you arrived at that opinion, can you tell me why there is no reason at all to assume it is wartime?
Regards Frank

Originally Posted by Luc

Good points Frank.

In this case, my opinion is not based on the sealed pattern alone, there is no reason at all to assume it is wartime.

[Luc]

They have been discussed in detail on at least two other collector forums.

[Frank Kelley]

Hello Luc,
Okay, I'd like to take alook at this discussion, could you at least point me in the right direction as to which forums they were?
Kind regards Frank.

[Luc]

They were discussed here (but I can't seem to find it?) and here where many pictures have been deleted so it is not very helpful anymore.

[Frank Kelley]

LOL Luc,
I like that second one Tommy Talk! bloody fantastic, if I get really stuck with Dutch, I'll let you know and you can tell me what it says!
Don't like the name of the first one, field grey slugs with bad sausage breath and awful manners!
Kind regards Frank

Originally Posted by Luc

They were discussed here (but I can't seem to find it?) and here where many pictures have been deleted so it is not very helpful anymore.