British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

Recent Books by Forum Members

   

Go Back   British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum > British Military Insignia > Royal Flying Corps and Royal Air Force

 Other Pages: Galleries, Links etc.
Glossary  Books by Forum Members     Canadian Pre 1914    CEF    CEF Badge Inscriptions   Canadian post 1920     Canadian post 1953     British Cavalry Badges     Makers' Marks    Pipers' Badges  Canadian Cloth Titles  Books  SEARCH
 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 14-08-17, 07:01 AM
Phill Lockett's Avatar
Phill Lockett Phill Lockett is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Auckland NZ
Posts: 762
Default Eagle Squadron Woolen & Round Woven Poplin variation

Hi all

I'm still learning the nuances of British WWII cloth insignia, so if I ask basic questions,please don't take offence.

I have several questions regarding Eagle Squadron FS.

The well known embroidered on woolen FS has been verified WWII era,my questions are:
1) Were they official or unofficial FS? The one pictured is paste back.
2) Are there any known legit foreign examples ie non British made?
3) Were they only manufactured up to and when they rejoined USAAF ie where there any late war made?

Round variation:Woven poplin(?)
1) Has there been any reference to this style?
2) if this is a legitimate WWII era ES FS, would it have been official or unofficial?

All opinions welcomed.

cheers

Phill
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Eagle Squadron.jpg (63.5 KB, 45 views)
File Type: jpg Eagle Squadron-rev#2.jpg (104.4 KB, 19 views)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 14-08-17, 12:07 PM
Voltigeur's Avatar
Voltigeur Voltigeur is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Montreal,Canada.
Posts: 5,778
Default

Hello Phil,not to hijack the thread and just to add some information to yuour questions,here are two photos from the IWM files.
Jo

FRE 14123
US Eagle Squadron personnel shaking hands with RAF airmen

http://media.iwm.org.uk/ciim5/505/64/large_000000.jpg



© IWM (CH 1442)

Three American pilots of No. 71 (Eagle) Squadron RAF, Pilot Officers A. Mamedoff of Thompson, Connecticut, V. C. 'Shorty' Keough of Brooklyn, New York and G. Tobin of Los Angeles, show how their new squadron badge will look on Keogh's uniform at Church Fenton, Yorkshire. Mamedoff was formerly a stunt pilot in an air circus. Keough was a professional parachutist with 480 drops at the time this photograph was taken. Tobin was a commercial pilot who also did film work in Los Angeles.

__________________
"There truly exists but one perfect order: that of cemeteries. The dead never complain and they enjoy their equality in silence." -

“There are things we know that we know,” “There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don't know.”
Donald Rumsfeld, before the Iraqi Invasion,2003.

Age is something that doesn't matter, unless you are a cheese.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 15-08-17, 11:38 AM
BWEF's Avatar
BWEF BWEF is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,646
Default

Sadly, neither Red Tobin, Shorty Keogh nor Andy Mamedoff lived to see the end of the war.

In fact, none of the three lived to see the USA come in to the war in December 1941.
__________________
Orationem pulchram non habens, scribo ista linea in lingua Latina
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 15-08-17, 05:24 PM
Phill Lockett's Avatar
Phill Lockett Phill Lockett is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Auckland NZ
Posts: 762
Default

Thanks guys for the additional info, I did come across IWM files.

A friend and mentor of mine did interview Chelsey Preston back in the 70's before he passed, but no mention was made of the round woven poplin patch.

So it remains a mystery!!!

Phill
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 15-08-17, 05:51 PM
Roy's Avatar
Roy Roy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: A Shropshire lad in Arizona
Posts: 3,877
Default

Hi Chaps,

Amazing to see these three chaps, great history and a wonderful images. Terrible sad of course that they did not survive long.

Can I ask about 'Shorty'...if I'm reading it correct he was from Connecticut (where my wife is from) and it said 'VC'.

I was under the impression the the VC could only be awarded to British servicemen. Could someone clarify these details for me?

Cheerio,

Roy
__________________
Collecting:

Despatch Rider Insignia & Photographs.


Author/Dealer in the Fairbairn Sykes Fighting Knife
My website: www.fsknife.com
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 15-08-17, 05:55 PM
Voltigeur's Avatar
Voltigeur Voltigeur is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Montreal,Canada.
Posts: 5,778
Default

About Pilot Officer Vernon Charles "Shorty" Keough....also spelled Keogh)

Jo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernon_Keogh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Mamedoff

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Tobin
__________________
"There truly exists but one perfect order: that of cemeteries. The dead never complain and they enjoy their equality in silence." -

“There are things we know that we know,” “There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don't know.”
Donald Rumsfeld, before the Iraqi Invasion,2003.

Age is something that doesn't matter, unless you are a cheese.

Last edited by Voltigeur; 15-08-17 at 07:21 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 16-08-17, 09:37 AM
BWEF's Avatar
BWEF BWEF is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,646
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy View Post
Hi Chaps,

Amazing to see these three chaps, great history and a wonderful images. Terrible sad of course that they did not survive long.

Can I ask about 'Shorty'...if I'm reading it correct he was from Connecticut (where my wife is from) and it said 'VC'.

I was under the impression the the VC could only be awarded to British servicemen. Could someone clarify these details for me?

Cheerio,

Roy
Roy

In this case the VC stands for his initials, Vernon Charles.

I don't think it's true that a VC could only be awarded to British servicemen. Just men serving in the British forces.

For example, the Dane Anders Lassen won a VC in Italy in April 1945:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Lassen
__________________
Orationem pulchram non habens, scribo ista linea in lingua Latina
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 16-08-17, 01:31 PM
Roy's Avatar
Roy Roy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: A Shropshire lad in Arizona
Posts: 3,877
Default

Thanks for that,

Confusion cleared up..!

Cheers,

Roy
__________________
Collecting:

Despatch Rider Insignia & Photographs.


Author/Dealer in the Fairbairn Sykes Fighting Knife
My website: www.fsknife.com
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

mhs link

All times are GMT. The time now is 09:15 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.