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01-08-17, 05:18 PM
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SF wing
Guys, what are your thoughts on this wing?
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#2
02-08-17, 05:04 AM
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Personally I would have doubts about this wing Several originals are posted in albums on this forum. The reverse in particular looks quite different. However there are specialists who could give a more definitive answer.
Mike
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02-08-17, 06:33 AM
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From the front it looks ok but the back makes me think it's off modern construction. One question, Is there a weave / gauze material on the back between the embroidery?
I'm fortunate to have an original example in my WW2 SF album for reference. Paul
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#4
02-08-17, 02:57 PM
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This wing has been for sale on eBay for awhile now probably because the asking price of 2500 dollars is pretty steep as not many collectors have that kind of disposable income to spend on one item. Another reason it has not sold is because many collectors aren't sure if it is authentic. I believe it is as the front matches one of three known authentic OSS SF wings that have been found in the hands of veterans by a well known researcher in the US. I have a photograph of the three authenticated OSS SF wings found in the hands of veterans but it is not my photograph and the mentioned researcher has taken this photo off of his website. http://www.insigne.org/OSS_main-0.htm
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#5
02-08-17, 03:21 PM
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Thanks Tonomachi for the excellent link - The site has been of great assistance in the past too and is highly authoritative. I would share the concerns Paul mentions in that all but one or may be two attributed SF wings I have seen (admittedly largely images including the site to which you provide a link) have a white gauze like backing. One other has an applied backing of a navy colour. I totally accept that other variants exist and have a Far East one which is different again. That said ... I would be cautious given the reverse of the one illustrated by tormar9496 and without further detail - particularly at the price quoted - it would be a case of 'if in doubt leave it out' for me. I would always be 'wondering' about it and that would not be satisfactory. Just my opinion of course, and always retaining an open mind.
Mike
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02-08-17, 03:37 PM
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Everyone, thank you for your input about the wing. I was just curious if this was a known variant that I havent seen before. Yes, the price is based on what these wings were bringing several years ago. I have several textbook examples in my collection as shown. I have seen a couple variants out there, but all of the ones coming from OSS vets here in the United States have all looked like the ones I have pictured. Regards, Grant
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#7
02-08-17, 03:38 PM
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And more.
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#8
02-08-17, 03:42 PM
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Right sleeve
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#9
02-08-17, 03:43 PM
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Last pics
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#10
02-08-17, 04:02 PM
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Tormar9496
Superb groupings - you just can not beat attributed items. They illustrate the point perfectly regarding the white gauze like backing material. I agree about open mindedness regarding variants though, and the need for caution. Mike
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02-08-17, 04:05 PM
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All of the examples that you posted Grant seem to be 100% authentic, however the one that you started this thread with I would question. Personally I do not like the fairly thick blue lettering of the SF and am not keen on the construction either. I believe I have similar example in my collection, unfortunately currently in storage, and have them in the reproduction or unknown category. I would not risk an investment of the magnitude that you have mentioned. Regards, Clive.
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#12
02-08-17, 05:01 PM
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Thanks Clive. Most of my Jedburgh wings came from one OSS veteran's estate. The items in the first picture belonged to Capt. Fred Agee. Fred's son had all of his fathers effects in storage in his original military trunks. There are more items not pictured ie. His smatchet knife, his map case with maps, his OSS jump wing certificate, etc... From what I have researched, he was the only OSS jump qualified medical doctor that made a jump into France for an actual Jedburgh mission. Apparently, several OG members were wounded from covert operations and badly needed medical attention. Capt Agee was sent in and shortly after his insertion, he suffered a gunshot wound to his right leg and had to be evacuated back to England. The OSS wanted to discharge Capt Agee, but he refused to go and demanded to receive another assignment. The OSS ended up sending him to China and he was assigned with the Chinese Commandos. Here are some of his insignias from his time spent there.
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#13
02-08-17, 05:58 PM
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A truly stunning grouping Grant, I recall seeing it on the US Military Forum a while back. Agee was not a Jedburgh, he served in the French OSS Operational Group, his Mission I believe was ANTAGONIST. As far as I am aware all OSS OG Missions had one member who was medically trained. Although a much smaller grouping, I attach an image of one that has similarities, he served in the French OG Mission CHRISTOPHER. Regards, Clive.
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#14
02-08-17, 06:51 PM
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Clive, Very Nice!! I also have a OSS grouping to a member of OG mission CHRISTOPHER. I will post pictures of it after bit.
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#15
03-08-17, 06:24 AM
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What stunning groupings.
I am delighted Clive picked this thread up. Also great to make your acquaintance on here Grant This is the sort of correspondence / postings that educates the likes of me in the nuiances of your specialisms. Love the mispelling 'COMMONDO' Thanks for sharing Mike Last edited by Mike B; 03-08-17 at 06:30 AM.
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