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07-10-13, 11:50 AM
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Lancer Uniform for identification
An enquiry on behalf of a friend and outside my period of interest.
Can members identify and date this Lancer uniform please and comment on the medals? Tim
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07-10-13, 12:29 PM
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Tim .....any chance of a close up in a better resolution?
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Last edited by GriffMJ; 07-10-13 at 01:19 PM.
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07-10-13, 02:15 PM
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Sorry that is all I have at present. It almost looks like a painting not a photograph? There is a suggestion that he is a 12th or 16th Lancer. Tim
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07-10-13, 02:18 PM
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Tim
The collars look ok for the 16th ....but the Jacket and plastron look wrong in tones and also cuffs etc. Blue Jacket & red Plastron?...... but then it also looks wrong for the 12th ..... the collars are not POWFs and not the small crossed lances either? 16th Lancer is what I would say though... because of the collars....also the pillbox looks red? 16th Lancer (scout) of the same period (below) ... collars look very similar to the above? 
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07-10-13, 07:54 PM
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Griff,
Thank you. Additional information is the name William Shanley born in County Longford, Ireland and he served in the Boer War and WW1 and at some point may have transferred to the Connaught Rangers. Tim
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07-10-13, 09:18 PM
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Collar dogs?
Not being an expert on cavalry uniforms, my suggestion is 15th Hussars by the shape of the collar dogs.
Probably a million miles out, just an idea . . ! Rob
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08-10-13, 04:37 PM
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I definitely though lancers when looking at the collar dogs.
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08-10-13, 08:21 PM
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Thanks to all. Seems to be 16 Lancers with the QSA and KSA medals. I have passed info on to the relative and asked for more detail on his service particularly with the Connaught Rangers if they have it.
Tim
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09-10-13, 06:38 PM
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I cannot find a William Shanley on the QSA Roll with a cavalry regiment. There was one in the Connaught Rangers with a three bar QSA an a 2 Bar India General Service medal. Also a William Shanley in the Connaught Rangers with a 1914 Star who transferred to the MGC.
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09-10-13, 07:10 PM
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Many thanks. I wonder if the photo is of a 16th Lancer but he is not the William Shanley who clearly was a Connaught Ranger. Are there two William Shanleys or could the one man earn IGS, QSA and a 14 Star? Tim
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20-05-18, 09:27 AM
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A late follow up to this thread, as often the case the 'family history' was confused and incomplete. However, he seems to have originally served in the 6th Rifle Brigade a militia battalion which had the full title of The Princess of Wales's Royal Longford and Westmeath Militia and existed between 1899 and 1908. After (brief) service in the militia which presumably included service in South Africa, he joined the 12th Lancers in October 1902 and served at 'home' which means the UK until July 1903 when was transferred to the 16th Lancers and went out to South Africa returning to the UK in November 1904. He was a groom so his taste for soldiering and horses made transition to the Lancers easy. He probably went from the 12th Lancers to the 16th Lancers as a reinforcement as it is possible that that the 12th Lancers were the Depot (training) Regiment and based in Canterbury as part of the 4th Cavalry Brigade. He returned home to the UK in November 1904 and on 15 July 1905 he was discharged as "Services no longer required". This term was usually used to get rid of an unwanted soldier!
So the picture in the opening post is likely to be as a 16th Lancer. Thanks all for your comments. Tim
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