Firmin Maker Marks - Anodised Aluminium Cap Badges

[hagwalther]

Hi Guys,

On anodised aluminium cap badges, the maker marked his badges in one of three ways:

a) FIRMIN & SONS

b) FIRMIN (as a single world but in a variety of styles)

c) F&S

Does anyone know what came first and the date of changes to second and third forms?

Regards

Chris

[41st]

You have forgotten the Firmin London mark as shown in this thread.
Regards,
Kevin
http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...7&postcount=19

[hagwalther]

Thanks Kevin,

I had it in my notes but forgot it on the posting.

Lets try again:

Hi Guys,

On anodised aluminium cap badges, the maker marked his badges in one of three ways:

a) FIRMIN & SONS

b) FIRMIN (as a single world but in a variety of styles)

c) F&S

c) FIRMIN LONDON (in a variety of styles)

Does anyone know what came first and the date of changes to second, third and fourth forms?

Regards

Chris

[bess55]

Originally Posted by hagwalther

Thanks Kevin,

I had it in my notes but forgot it on the posting.

Lets try again:

Hi Guys,

On anodised aluminium cap badges, the maker marked his badges in one of three ways:

a) FIRMIN & SONS

b) FIRMIN (as a single world but in a variety of styles)

c) F&S

c) FIRMIN LONDON (in a variety of styles)

Does anyone know what came first and the date of changes to second, third and fourth forms?

Regards

Chris

The latest stamping, I'm fairly sure, is the plain FIRMIN. The anodised Firmin badges we see in plastic packets are all dated over the last 10 years or so and just have the makers name stamped in a fairly large font on the slider.

[hagwalther]

Originally Posted by bess55

The latest stamping, I'm fairly sure, is the plain FIRMIN. The anodised Firmin badges we see in plastic packets are all dated over the last 10 years or so and just have the makers name stamped in a fairly large font on the slider.

Damn, Stupid here should have thought of that as I have a few badges in unopened packets.

Royal Artillery OR Cap Badge - marked FIRMIN to slider dated 01/10/03
WRAF Cap Badge - Marked with curved FIRMIN to body dated 21/01/93
Royal Anglian Regt Cap Badge - marked FIRMIN to slider dated 27/01/05

OK, that puts 'FIRMIN' last in the order - how about the rest?

Any other ideas out there and I wonder why this is important....

Regards

Chris

[fougasse1940]

This is what I have found so far, not sure what it all means:

In 1875 the firm became a Ltd Co with these addresses:
Firmin & sons. 153 The Strand London (1875-1894)
Firmin & sons. 13 Conduit St. London (1838)
Firmin & sons. 20 Stanhope St.
Firmin & sons. 108 St. Martins Lane London (1895-1915)
Firmin & sons. Globe Works, Villa Street, Aston Birmingham (1892)
Firmin & sons. Cork St. (1915)
Firmin & sons. 81 Ford St. London (1968)
Firmin & sons. Newtown Row. Birmingham. (from 1971)

Interesting Firmin Tidbits, provided directly from Darren Reynolds of Firmin!
Firmin was located at Conduit Street from 1838 to 1879.
In 1882 Firmin and Sons opened a factory in St Paul's Square in Birmingham which remained there till 1892.
In 1892 the factory moved to Globe Works in Villa Street, Aston, Birmingham.
In 1971 the factory moved from Aston to Newtown Row where Firmin continues to manufacture buttons today.
In 1981 Firmin became Firmin and Sons, PLC.
In 1994 Firmin's London office closed.
Firmin from then on based solely at Firmin House in Newtown Row, Birmingham.
In 2006 Firmin reverted to Firmin and Sons Ltd.
J R Gaunt and Son was bought by Firmin and Sons in 1991 and remains part of Firmin and Sons Ltd today.

Rgds,
fougasse1940.

[norfolk regt man]

Originally Posted by hagwalther

Thanks Kevin,

I had it in my notes but forgot it on the posting.

Lets try again:

Hi Guys,

On anodised aluminium cap badges, the maker marked his badges in one of three ways:

a) FIRMIN & SONS

b) FIRMIN (as a single world but in a variety of styles)

c) F&S

c) FIRMIN LONDON (in a variety of styles)

Does anyone know what came first and the date of changes to second, third and fourth forms?

Regards

Chris

Did Chris manage to get a date ordered for these stampings in the end.

[GriffMJ]

Add "FIRMIN. LONDON" to that list ....... I have that mark on an early(ish) AA Motto and a later AA Motto..... also on Bronzed brass mottos.

Later


Early(ish)

[GriffMJ]

The FIRMIN. LONDON mark going down the slider on the Bronzed Firmin new Motto...... so there will be an AA out there with the same mark going down the slider (above post shows it going up on two different male die images).

16mm x 1mm "FIRMIN. LONDON"