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Old 16-06-16, 10:29 AM
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If they are separate badges there must be a possibility this Essex man had already earned an efficiency star for other reasons before he became a qualified driver?

Or was the Efficiency Badge (star) always worn on the right sleeve as shown in the DCLI photo and trade badges on the left sleeve as in the Essex photo?

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Old 16-06-16, 11:02 AM
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If they are separate badges there must be a possibility this Essex man had already earned an efficiency star for other reasons before he became a qualified driver?

Or was the Efficiency Badge (star) always worn on the right sleeve as shown in the DCLI photo and trade badges on the left sleeve as in the Essex photo?

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Rob,

the efficiency star was worn on the other sleeve and only by territorials and although not discontinued officially until 1952 and dont seem to have been worn in WW2.

If its separate, then he may have used any type of available star to put over it.

They existed in several forms over the years, as efficiency stars as you say, as prize badge stars, as distance judging stars and drivers stars (from 1950). Also Driver Mechanic Tank Corps/RTC/RTR (this one is distinctive with black rays on it)

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Old 16-06-16, 03:19 PM
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Minor point of pedantry: badges worn lower left sleeve were "skill-at-arms" in the first instance [think musketry, sword, lance, joined by MG, LG, HG etc], but were expanded slightly to become "skill" with addition of crossed flags, the [horse] driving badges, and the [MT] driving badges.

Vulgar "trade" and appointment went upper right of course.

Mystery/ miscellaneous badges went lower right: efficiency, distance judging [I would have thought that was a "skill-at-arms], sergeant in best shooting company etc etc.

But never say never.
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Old 16-06-16, 09:14 PM
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I have a picture (never seen the badge in the flesh) of an unknown drivers badge.

A so far unidentified 'RAOC' Trade Badge

Picture was published in the circa 1960 publication 'The Royal Army Ordnance Corps' a book describing the trades available in the RAOC and adverts of Ordnance related goods of the time.

Suggestions for the badge include 'Storeman/MHE' or 'MHE OP'

Badge is the 5 pointed star driver qualification within a circle.
Symbol is of the type painted onto allied vehicles in WWII for D-Day Landings.


Any ideas??

Still not had a definitive ID on this Drivers Badge?
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Old 17-06-16, 10:44 AM
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Not a Scooby! I have a similar photo from Soldier magazine in my UNSOLVED folder!
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Old 18-06-16, 03:00 PM
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Could it simply be the Driver's star with a coloured backing applied locally to indicate a local distinction/proficiency?

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Old 18-06-16, 04:34 PM
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This is a great thread in the best traditions [!] of the Forum.

Yes Postwarden, it could be. Note that it is in the "appointment" area on the arm ........... instructor springs to mind.
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Old 18-06-16, 09:23 PM
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I wonder if he is RAOC?
He does not appear to be wearing R.A.O.C. Shoulder titles and his cap badge cannot be seen. He is wearing the formation badge for War Office Controlled Units on 1949 pattern Battle Dress, but the Corporal's chevrons seem slightly curved and look odd. Is he perhaps not British Army but attached from a Commonwealth or another Army? Might explain the mystery star?

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Old 20-06-16, 09:14 AM
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I bought this badge at the Wartime in the Vale show on Sunday. I'm hoping its "MC" for Motorcyclist but I can't find an image of another one like it.

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Another WW2 unofficial badge. Possibly Motorcyclist but not confirmed.

DR (Despatch Rider) was the usual badge.

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Old 20-06-16, 10:03 AM
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I increasingly lean towards requiring a photo taken "in wear" before lending much credence to the official or demi-official use/ provenance of such badges.

The wearer of MC might as well be a master of ceremonies as far as I know!

But every now and then a gem of a photo appears and I remember to say "never say never!"
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Knew I had one some place, managed to find it.

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Marc,

Its similar, but very un-British looking.
Do you have any history on it?

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Old 22-06-16, 05:42 PM
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is that a green background please?

Certainly does not look British, does it?
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Old 22-06-16, 05:50 PM
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No history.

Design matches some of the British stars, centre circle and lines down the centre of the arms.

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