Why 12 stripes on a sleeve.

[grumpy]

I reckon the photo is post Great War ...... he has ribbons something like IGS, something else, and one or two of the Great War. As the Inniskillings were not disbanded in 1922, the date could be.......?
On the other hand there are no collar badges, although I assume the regiment joined the post-war fashion?

SO! there was no Militia or Special Reserve to join after 1918 to all intents and purposes.

Now the rules were bent in 1916 to allow TF to qualify, but post-war the TA seems to have reverted to the efficiency stars and lozenge under the old rules. No logical reason to retain GC badges after the war.

Needless to say I have archived the photo: my previous record armful was ten!

[Mike_2817]

Originally Posted by Mike_2817

1 chevron = 2 years
2 chevrons = 6 years
3 chevrons = 12 years
4 chevrons = 18 years
5 chevrons = 23 years
6 chevrons = 28 years
Bearing in mind you could join at 15 - 28 years makes you 43
and apparently it could go as high as 10 chevrons for 50 years = 65 years old?

as to 12 well ??

Amending on my own earler post

My years are based on a 1970's Materials Regulations

According to
British Army Uniforms & Insignia of World War Two
by Brian L Davis
on research into Pay Warrants which authorised Good Conduct Badges:

1 chevron = 2 years
2 chevrons = 5 years
3 chevrons = 12 years
4 chevrons = 16 years
5 chevrons = 21 years
6 chevrons = 26 years
7 chevrons = 32 years
8 chevrons = 38 years
9 chevrons = 43 years
10 chevrons = 48 years

If you base later periods as 5 years you would get:

11 chevrons for 53 years
12 chevrons for 58 years

Which if you joined at 15 as a Regimental Boy Soldier/Drummer would make you 73+ and ranking under Sergeant!

However Vocabulary of Clothing and Necessaries, 1939, Section CS, page 44 shows that the maximum available as a separate item is a five bar set.

Note, I have added the picture from Post 1 as its an ebay link that will not last...

[Voltigeur]

Good day gentlemen, on the subject of long serving soldier wearing many many chevrons, a similar case about Pte. Carter,KSLI.
Have a look at the photograph at the bottom of the page.Interesting......

http://www.britisharmedforces.org/li...hrop_photo.htm

Jo

[grumpy]

Originally Posted by Mike_2817

Amending on my own earler post

My years are based on a 1970's Materials Regulations

According to
British Army Uniforms & Insignia of World War Two
by Brian L Davis
on research into Pay Warrants which authorised Good Conduct Badges:

1 chevron = 2 years
2 chevrons = 5 years
3 chevrons = 12 years
4 chevrons = 16 years
5 chevrons = 21 years
6 chevrons = 26 years
7 chevrons = 32 years
8 chevrons = 38 years
9 chevrons = 43 years
10 chevrons = 48 years

If you base later periods as 5 years you would get:

11 chevrons for 53 years
12 chevrons for 58 years

Which if you joined at 15 as a Regimental Boy Soldier/Drummer would make you 73+ and ranking under Sergeant!

However Vocabulary of Clothing and Necessaries, 1939, Section CS, page 44 shows that the maximum available as a separate item is a five bar set.

Note, I have added the picture from Post 1 as its an ebay link that will not last...

You seem to have missed #13 above, in which I explained in some detail.

Please see my article in MHS Bulletin for chapter and verse.

[RCN]

Originally Posted by grumpy

I reckon the photo is post Great War ...... he has ribbons something like IGS, something else, and one or two of the Great War.

Interesting photos! I too saw the ebay photo. Presumably one of his medal ribbons must be the LS medal?

This number of Good Conduct chevrons could not happen in the RN!

RCN Bryan

[Malcolm Davey]

Originally Posted by matti467

On the subject of longevity of service; was not one of the VC winners from Rorke's Drift still in service as late as 1914?
Matti

Correct Matti
John Williams VC he volunteered for service and served on the SWB Depot staff at Brecon throughout the World War I and served as a recruiting agent for them.
Died in 1932

Malc

[grumpy]

With luck I may be able to decode the medal ribbons: I am now the owner of said card, not yet received.

Will report back.

[George Davies]

Further to the posts re LS Sripes. I remember when I was at the Depot of the KSLI Copthorne Barracks Shrewsbury in 1944.,There was an old soldier Pte. Nick Carter,working in the QM stores.wearing 10 LS stripes. I have since found out a bit more about Pte. Carter.He enlisted in 1901 and discharged in 1951 with 50 years service, reputed to be the longest serving sodier in the Army.Among his medals he had QSA. BWM. and 2 LSGC medals. I believe he also reeived Coronation, and Jubilee medals, but I have no record of these medals.He was said to refuse all promotions and was a Pte all through his service.
I hope that this will interest members as well as putting forward some definite information re these stripes. Has anyone come up with any more info.All the best. George Davies.

[Spr Jock]

Sergeant Major Peter Grant , served 79 years 1745 -1824

Peter Grant 'Auld Dubrach' , 1714 -1824 .

Peter Grant enlisted in the Jacobite Army in 1745 .

Sergeant Major Peter Grant was captured at the Battle of Culloden but escaped from Carlisle Castle while awaiting trial.
He was never recaptured .

Living to an old age he became known as Auld Dubrach, because of the name of the croft he was born in.

Grant was presented to George IV when he visited Edinburgh in 1822, "Ah, Grant, you are my oldest friend", to which old Dubrach replied: "Na, na, your majesty, I'm your auldest enemy".

Old Dubrach died in 1824 aged 110 years.
Sergeant Major Peter Grant never resigned from the Jacobite Army.
On his death he was the last surviving Jacobite Soldier of the ‘45.

A stone tablet erected over his resting place has the inscription

"The old, loyal Jacobite is at peace. He kept faith with his rightful Monarchs all of his life, a hero and man of honour to the last.”

So , how many LS Stripes for 79 years service to your country ?

[grumpy]

Originally Posted by George Davies

Further to the posts re LS Sripes. I remember when I was at the Depot of the KSLI Copthorne Barracks Shrewsbury in 1944.,There was an old soldier Pte. Nick Carter,working in the QM stores.wearing 10 LS stripes. I have since found out a bit more about Pte. Carter.He enlisted in 1901 and discharged in 1951 with 50 years service, reputed to be the longest serving sodier in the Army.Among his medals he had QSA. BWM. and 2 LSGC medals. I believe he also reeived Coronation, and Jubilee medals, but I have no record of these medals.He was said to refuse all promotions and was a Pte all through his service.
I hope that this will interest members as well as putting forward some definite information re these stripes. Has anyone come up with any more info.All the best. George Davies.

Yes, Carter can be found by Googling, with a poor-quality photograph, thank you. As an aside, was/is it possible to qualify twice for a LSGC? Should be findable because they were always notified in Army Orders.

[Old Smelly]

Originally Posted by grumpy

Yes, Carter can be found by Googling, with a poor-quality photograph, thank you. As an aside, was/is it possible to qualify twice for a LSGC? Should be findable because they were always notified in Army Orders.

I've just found an old copy of the KSLI journal which has a small write up about Carter and a photo of him being awarded the second LSGC. Unfortunately I cannot get my scanner working at the moment, but I'll try to post it asap
Lee

[George Davies]

Thanks for info. I have found the photo on Google as suggested
Could you possibly give the date of the Regt,Journal, so that I can get a copy.
Regards George Davies.

[Old Smelly]

This is one of the pics, it's from Vol15, No84, Jan 1946. If you have trouble getting a copy I could scan or photocopy the relevant pages from mine
Lee

[grumpy]

That's great. PM on the way.

I think I notice that he has 9 GC badges at that time.

Also that the position of marksman and [I suppose] LG in wreath is optional in the regiment!

Many thanks.

[Fatboy Ken]

With regards to the old chap in the beginning of this post, RIF;

I put the image up on my fb page 2 days ago, and today got this reply, ........

http://www.royal-irish.com/persons/l...-dutchy-pearce

Ken (The Fatboy)