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28-05-17, 03:35 PM
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VB Proficiency badge???
This presented itself at a show this morning. Can't seem to find an exact match among any of the usual suspects. Anyone?
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#2
28-05-17, 04:26 PM
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With that colour backing perhaps not military ?
P.B.
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#3
28-05-17, 04:35 PM
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I doubt that the badge was produced as it is presented, and that the letters have been hand made then fixed to the issued type wreath. Image without the backing may help. The method of fixing would suggest it was to be worn in a warm (hot) climate. Marc 
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#4
28-05-17, 04:40 PM
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Marc,
It looks a darkish blue on my screen. Peter
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#5
28-05-17, 05:03 PM
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Its not an 'officially' recognised proficiency badge but looks very much like one to me and I like it!
No idea what the VB was designed to mean, and in gilding metal its not Volunteer.. regards
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29-05-17, 03:38 PM
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in gilding metal its not Volunteer..
Does this statement mean that the belief is that Volunteer [and, by logical extension TF] "proficiency badges" were only in white metal? A difficult belief to prove, I think. As a tangential generality [some few exceptions] metal badges were only introduced in 1907 and later, as a matter of policy not universally adhered to. This has got me thinking!
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#7
29-05-17, 03:55 PM
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I was merely trying to say that I dont believe the 'V' doesnt stand for Volunteer because its in Gilding Metal. I am unaware of gilding metal badges worn on the arm in GM, but you know best.
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29-05-17, 09:21 PM
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I could be way off here but werent the US Navy WW1 Bomber units preceded by A VB and VPB acronym.
Paul
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#11
30-05-17, 03:19 PM
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It loos sandcast, and the wreath is very British in essentials. Badges "in wreath" in gilding metal with that style really only blossomed from 1913: MG, R, O, LG, HG, QI for example.
If held over a barrel I say we are looking at a British or Indian unit-level award, bazaar-made in India, post 1914. Would I like to own it? Yes indeed.
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#12
30-05-17, 03:58 PM
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#13
31-05-17, 08:28 AM
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I agree with Grumpy that it is sand cast and with 54bty that it is for a hot climate, as hooks and eyes were the common method of fixing on frequently laundered clothing. The style mimics pre-WW1 devised skill at arms badges, as Grumpy says and I think that suggests a between the wars piece. I can recall no skill title that matches VB and so would suggest consideration beyond that. One of the most common uses for bazaar made, sand cast badges was for native servants and functionaries within Indian based units, especially mess staff, who often wore such made up badges on their pagris (turbans) with a regimentally coloured backing. The B might stand for 'bearer', which was a common term for servants. There are photos online of such makeshift badges in use.
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#14
31-05-17, 08:32 AM
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I have a BW gilding metal similar badge made up from a RQMS (WO2) wreath with the letters fixed in the middle.
Interesting that it to has a 'B'. Bearer is a possibility in the absence of any other evidence. regards
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31-05-17, 12:14 PM
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Is it definitely a "B" could it be a badly styled "R" ?
Rob
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