ROYAL MILITARY POLICE

[engr9266]

This is one for the Royal Military Police experts.
I have seen a RMP badge for sale that is advetised as "SCARCE 1948-52 KINGS CROWN ROYAL MILITARY POLICE GVI RMP CAP BADGE" Can you confirm if the crown was changed
I cannot show pictures as they belong to another person.
I await the many replies to come..........

[Alan O]

there was a post war King's Crown RMP badge with the Royal added to the title scroll whereas previously when it was the Corps of Military police the title scroll read Military Police.

[tonyb]

I would guess the scarce refers to the 'ROYAL' prefix? Rather than to the crown....
Cheers Tony.

[tonyb]

Alan beat me to it
Tony.

[Alan O]

Here are the 4 OR versions that I have in brass:

CMP GV
CMP GVI
RMP GVI
RMP EIIR

I also have the EIIR a/a one and the GVI CMP Plastic economy. The RMP GVI tends to go for a few more pounds than the CMP one. Mine cost me £8 I think.

[engr9266]

They became the Corps of Royal Military Police (RMP) on 28 November 1946 under Army Order 167 , so a new badge would have been issued BUT did it change in 1948 to a different crown until 1952 when it would have changed again to the Queens crown.
Here is my modest collection of CMP/RMP

[Praepositus]

Hi Folks,

I can confirm that the KC was retained until HM The Queen became the Sovereign, when the QC was adopted. I will post the relevant Army Order detailing the changes when the Royal Prefix was granted, when I get home.

[badjez]

Gents,

Info from List of Changes:

31.10.50. C4283
Badges, Cap. R.M.P. (Cat No CB 2383).
1. New Pattern.The above mentioned cap badge, announced by Minor Change 2142 is hereby formally introduced.Badges, Cap. C.M. Police (Cat No CB 0409).
2. Obsolete.Consequent upon ‘1’ the old pattern is hereby declared obsolete. Existing stocks will be returned to R.A.O.C. for disposal.

31.08.54. C6132 Badges, Cap. R.M.P. GM (Cat No CB 1830) and Badges, Collar. R.M.P. GM (Pair) (Cat No CB 1831).
1. New Pattern. Patterns (No 15718 and 15719 respectively) of the above-mentioned badges have been sealed to govern future manufacture. They differ from the old (No 13961 and 13962) (Cat No CB 2383 (See C4283) and CB 2384 (See C4507)) in that they incorporate the St. Edward’s Crown and Royal Cypher EiiR. There is also a slight variation in the shape of the Laurel Wreath on the cap badge.
Badges, Cap. R.M.P. AA (Cat No CB 3137).
2. Change in Designation.The existing Cat No badge (CB 3034) (See C4717) for the anodised aluminium cap will be retained for the new pattern, and the designation, previously ‘R.M. Police’, amended to read as now shown.Badges, Cap. R.M.P. GM (Cat No CB 2383).
Badges, Collar. R.M.P. GM (Pair) (Cat No CB 2384).
3. Obsolete. Change in Designation.Consequent upon ‘1’ the above-mentioned items are hereby declared obsolete, but existing stocks will be used up, and the designations amended to read as now shown.

So far I have not been able to trace the List of Minor Change mentioned above. This list does not appear to have survived.
I hope this is useful.
Stephen.

[54Bty]

Stephen, I was told that the 'Minor changes' are a list contained in a book deposited in the NA. I never bothered to try for it.

Marc

[badjez]

Marc,

I've searched TNA catalogue without success, I don't suppose you have a reference at all?

Minor Changes don't exist in the collections of the Royal Armouries, IWM, NAM, or RLC museum. The ex-Librarian at the War Office Library has no recolection of holding a copy. Many people would like to find it as it should contai many wartime introductions for badges, weapons, uniform etc.

Stephen.

[JerryBB]

My example, I am having a clear out so posting it here as I have pictures of it handy and I was doing a search.

[Frank Kelley]

That's a nice badge Jerry, I like the clipped slider too!

Originally Posted by JBBOND

My example, I am having a clear out so posting it here as I have pictures of it handy and I was doing a search.

[tonyb]

Thought I'd share this nice 11mm Gaunt Royal Military Police cap badge.
Cheers Tony.

[JerryBB]

Originally Posted by Frank Kelley

That's a nice badge Jerry, I like the clipped slider too!

Thanks Frank. Often a good sign of an original though I assume that everything is done these days to fool collectors including clipping the slider.

[Frank Kelley]

LOL Jerry,
Well, nothing surprises me these days with all the dross around, but, that is just a good honest badge and the type of thing that should always be bought on sight if the price is right.
Kind regards Frank