Grenadier Guards 1871

[grenadierguardsman]

I am asking for opinions on what the Grenade ( Cap Badge ) is made of, i.e. a metal or not. Also wether the type of Grenade is the same or similar to those in Kipling and King Volume 1.
I am not trying to discredit Kipling and King, but i believe that the Grenade in Kipling and King was worn prior to 1898.
Many thanks
Andy

[grenadierguardsman]

81 views and no comments. Come on guys i need some help here.
Andy

[grenadierguardsman]

Not Grenadier Guards i know but I'm trying to find out when the cap star was first worn as a cap badge also. Dress Regs are hard to find ( i've tried the National Army Museum and British Library ) i've come across this picture by Charles Stadden, its dating the cap star 1875 where as Kipling and King are dating it 1898. Any comments anyone.
Many Thanks Andy

[grenadierguardsman]

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[john badge]

I'd like to know the answer to this as well. I am unsure about the date of origin for the Grenade and the capstar.

[grenadierguardsman]

Yes John, i,m going to badger Gary Gibbs and Major GVA Baker ( Regimental Adjudant ) about this. I'm finding it hard to find Dress regs 1864,74 ,83, so i'm going to see if i can find some old standing orders. I have standing orders 1865 which mentions 2 types of grenades cap badges, but not what there made of only the cost. There are photo's dating back to 1860 which i believe clearly show a metal type grenade badge, but it would be nice to have it in black and white.
Thanks for taking an interest
Andy

[Sonofacqms]

Andy, the photo is definitely 1871 and not 1891, the badge looks like it's made from metal to me and while K&K give dates for badges these may not always be accurate.

Much knowledge has come to light since K&K dipped their respective toes in the water.

Rob