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Old 04-04-16, 03:42 PM
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Default Royal Warwickshire

An unofficial commission of a badge that was authorised for production.

No maker's mark.

Die struck reverse.

Bought from 5 from Jeremy Tenniswood in 2005. he had a box of them.
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Old 04-04-16, 03:44 PM
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Default Queen's Crown Highland Light Infantry

A badge that was not authorised for production.

No maker's mark.

Die struck reverse.
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Old 04-04-16, 03:51 PM
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Default Fife and Forfar Yeomanry

A badge that was not authorised for production in a/a.

No maker's mark.

Die struck reverse.

This one cost me $10.
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Old 04-04-16, 03:54 PM
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Default Loyal Suffolk Hussars yeomanry

A badge that was not authorised for production.

No maker's mark.

Die struck reverse.
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Old 04-04-16, 03:55 PM
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Default Royal Ulster Rifles King's Crown

A badge that was not authorised for production.

No maker's mark.

Die struck reverse.

Bought for 3 in Devizes in 2006.
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Old 20-05-16, 07:53 PM
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Erm, I have one of these HLI badges and to throw a spanner in the works. I got it off of the shelf in shed D2 at COD Bicester in 1983 during a stock reconciliation task. They were obsolescent and marked for disposal so I had one (I was a kid at the time and knew little about badges or I would have half inched the other 7 or so on the shelf!). So I don't know know about unauthorised, but having a part number, being held in the Army depot and me getting it from there sort of makes it official to me. I did also let Chris know about this when I contacted him about another supposed fake - the Gordons with BY DAND instead of BYDAND, again I got mine off the shelf in the depot.

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Old 18-09-17, 09:21 AM
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Erm, I have one of these HLI badges and to throw a spanner in the works. I got it off of the shelf in shed D2 at COD Bicester in 1983 during a stock reconciliation task. They were obsolescent and marked for disposal so I had one (I was a kid at the time and knew little about badges or I would have half inched the other 7 or so on the shelf!). So I don't know know about unauthorised, but having a part number, being held in the Army depot and me getting it from there sort of makes it official to me. I did also let Chris know about this when I contacted him about another supposed fake - the Gordons with BY DAND instead of BYDAND, again I got mine off the shelf in the depot.
Was this deemed real or fake in the end?
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Old 22-09-17, 09:50 AM
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Was this deemed real or fake in the end?
I see from Chris's collection site that this is deemed a fake.
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Old 22-09-17, 10:10 AM
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I notice from Chris's collection http://www.smle.army-cap-badges.talk...dised_Infantry that he shows one for the Welch and one for the SWB that he calls unofficial commission for the Welch and unofficial comm ACF CCF for the SWBords. Does that make these fakes or unofficial but genuine badges?

It would be great if someone can comment on this.

I know from other threads that the Welch is made from the Gaunt die but Alan in this thread http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ad.php?t=52768 calls it A copy of a badge that was authorised for production. and in the first post refers to the SWBords as a fake.

Where does that leave the Welsh and SWBords badges as I have both (I have two of the Welch) and one day might wish to sell them. If Chris says they are unofficial but does not call them fakes (as he has with the By Dand Gordons), but Alan does call them copies for the Welch or fake for the SWBords, which makes them not allowed to be sold on this forum.

Obviously I could ebay them and they would both sell, but I would not wish to sell them as unofficial but genuine if they are indeed fakes/copies.
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Old 08-01-17, 07:18 PM
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We did see some very odd badges in the depot at Bicester when I was there. I personally saw (and have) a Gordons with BY DAND - one of the so called non-existent badges as well as examples from R Leicesters, HLI, Notts and Derby, SWB, Camerons, R Irish Fus and R Innis Fus. We had them on a board to help with recognition when new stocks came in. Clearly these were examples that had been there for aeons as I only started work there in 1983.

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Old 08-01-17, 07:25 PM
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Interesting.. I took six of these off of the shelves of shed D2 and D1 at COD Bicester in 1983 whilst doing stock reconciliations and obsolescence clearance. I kept one as it was an interesting badge (I wasn't a collector at the time) and have had it since. So, in answer, it must have been authorised for production because it made it to the MOD storage depot and had a NSN. Whether it was ever issued is the question, but as only six were left when I cleared them out there must have been more as MOD never bought badges,especially cheap and cheerful staybrites, in batches of less that 20-30 from my experience - the stock card I recall had held these six as annual checks for so long no other issues were recorded.

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Old 09-01-17, 06:34 AM
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Interesting.. I took six of these off of the shelves of shed D2 and D1 at COD Bicester in 1983 whilst doing stock reconciliations and obsolescence clearance. I kept one as it was an interesting badge (I wasn't a collector at the time) and have had it since. So, in answer, it must have been authorised for production because it made it to the MOD storage depot and had a NSN. Whether it was ever issued is the question, but as only six were left when I cleared them out there must have been more as MOD never bought badges,especially cheap and cheerful staybrites, in batches of less that 20-30 from my experience - the stock card I recall had held these six as annual checks for so long no other issues were recorded.
Which badge mentioned above are you specifically referring to here mate?

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Old 23-02-17, 07:33 PM
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The HLI and Gordons badges were the ones I was referring to. Mentioned by Alan O quite early in this chain. Someone authorised them as they were on the shelves of an MOD site!
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Old 01-03-17, 06:27 PM
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didithevan, I worked in Shed D2 (Clothing Detail) in the early 70's and at that time many Kings Crown badges were still in stock. Shed D1 was Bulk Storage so less stock was seen open on bins (shelves)

You were lucky to even get close the badges section as they were then the domain of two very protective civi ladies, as believe it or not the most popular badges to go missing were RAOC, WRAC & RPC (for replacement wear) not the more exotic ones as not many who worked there were collector's! I did see more than a few batch issues of badges for military displays go thru the system however, and in later years of service never returned to Bicester, or never to the sheds anyway.

I have about 12, 'as new' 2 piece 'FIRMIN LONDON' many still wrapped in tissue paper RAOC cap badges for sale to RAOC Association members for wearing, not collecting that are still in demand by ex RAOC soldiers.

One thing I am really after are RAOC sealed working patterns of any kind, as not many see the light of day for some reason!
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Old 04-04-16, 03:58 PM
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Default Duke of Connaughts in gold a/a

A factory error of a badge that was authorised for production in silver. The slider shows sign of wear and has been bent for a beret.

This is the only one I have ever seen in gold a/a.

Firmin mark.

Die cast reverse.
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