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Old 10-06-17, 10:04 AM
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Default Staff Corps, Permanent Staff, Temporary Staff

What exactly were the differences between these corps and who wore what badges?

I've read that NZSC were officers and NZPS were WOs and NCOs involved in admin and training from 1911 to 1947...

Here is a photo however of a NZPS member who is clearly an officer:
http://api.aucklandmuseum.com/id/med...g=original.jpg

And.... here is one of a NZSC member who is also an officer:
http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205385446

Both appear to wear British Staff cap badges but with different collar badges.

I'm also interested to know who the Temporary Staff were who apparently just wore the NZ on fernleaf badges. Thanks
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Old 11-06-17, 09:35 AM
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What exactly were the differences between these corps and who wore what badges?

I've read that NZSC were officers and NZPS were WOs and NCOs involved in admin and training from 1911 to 1947...
That is correct, Territorials were the part time officers and NCOs, whereas Regular officers were full time officers attached to the NZ Staff Corps and Regular NCOs were full time NCOs attached to the NZ Permanent Staff. (RNZA were Regular troops and NZFA & NZGA were Territorial troops)

Asides from staffing district HQs and commanding Area groups NZ Staff Officers were posted to every Territorial unit as a Staff adjutant handling the staff and administrative duties or as specialist instructors.
Permanent Staff NCOs administered the training at a local level in each of the four military districts which were divided into a total of 56 area groups.

From April 1911 General Orders allowed Staff officers and NCOs of the Permanent Staff to wear the standard British “crown-and-lion” hat badge, and to wear the “fern-leaf (with N.Z. on centre) as a collar badge.” (In gilt on blue dress and bronze on khaki dress for officers) and brass for NCOs.
Although gilt is mentioned in the 1912 NZ Dress Regulations, officers were allowed to wear brass on blue and photographic evidence shows brass on khaki was worn by some officers.
(In 1911 Staff officers had red piping on their shoulder straps)
The only exception to wearing the “fern-leaf badge with the letters N.Z. embossed” was granted to the 1911 NZ Bisley team to wear the badge during their stay in England.

The 1912 NZ Dress Regulations shows the Permanent Staff NCOs were authorised to wear the NZ/Staff shoulder titles. No mention is made of them to be worn by Staff officers.

By the beginning of 1913 HQ Staff Officers, OC Commanding District, A.A. and Q.M.G on District Staff wore a scarlet silk puggaree on the felt hat with a crown-and-lion” hat badge affixed in the middle of the turned up side.
All other Staff Officers wore a Khaki silk puggaree with a red and green stripe in the centre and a fern hat badge affixed in the middle of the turned up side.
Warrant Officers and NCOs of the Permanent Staff wore a scarlet cloth puggaree and a fern hat badge affixed in the middle of the turned up side.
Photographic evidence shows Warrant Officers and NCOs of the Permanent Staff also wore a standard size and large size fern-leaf on the Service Dress hat.

I have not found an exact date for when the round garter style Staff Corps officer badge encased with fern leaves was first authorised, but photographic evidence suggests early 1914.
However, all Staff Officers and NCOs of the Permanent Staff who were appointed to regiments of the 1914 NZ Expeditionary Force were required to wear the fern leaf badges and puggarees of the arm of the service which the regiment belonged. Those who were appointed to divisional and brigade staffs wore a red staff puggaree.
The garter style Staff Corps officer badge in most early WW1 photos that I have seen is usually worn as a hat badge with fern-leaf collars, and in some late WW1 photos that I have seen it is worn as a hat badge and collar badges.

According to Corbetts badge book the authority for the NZ Permanent Staff to wear the “crown-and-lion” hat badge was withdrawn as of June 1917, and the eight pointed garter style NZ Permanent Staff hat and collar badge was authorised in October 1921.
The 1923 NZ Dress Regulations shows the shoulder titles approved for the NZ Staff Corps was NZSC and NZ Permanent Staff was NZPS.


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I'm also interested to know who the Temporary Staff were who apparently just wore the NZ on fernleaf badges. Thanks
Temporary Staff is a difficult one to explain as it evolved during the war.
Basically due to the large number of Staff officers and Permanent Staff that embarked with the NZEF Main body this left a large number of Staff vacancies in NZ, to fill these position Staff with relative qualifications were obtained from territorial units, retired lists and civilian occupations and were given Temporary Staff appointments. By 1916 this had developed into a Temporary Staff Corps that was positioned in all four military districts.
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Old 11-06-17, 12:24 PM
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Temporary Staff (NZTS) shoulder titles are not that common, but did see one in fellow forum member Wayne IHaka's collection today, interestingly it is the small size suggesting post WW1 and most likely an early WW2 badge worn along with the fern leaf badge by the NZ Temporary Staff 1939 to 1945.
Hopefully Wayne will post a picture of the NZTS shoulder title.
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Old 12-06-17, 08:00 AM
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a few of mine

NZTS very very rare - only ever seen 3 and I got 2
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