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If this is the case, who and why had the badge cast and then assume sent to the Assay Office, or faked the Hallmarks. It seems a lot of work to make what seems to all to be a fake and being sold for fairly modest cost. I think I am somewhat relieved that I really no longer actively collect, what a nightmare for today's collectors! Regards, Clive.
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Well, I can only go off the photograph, but, you should clearly be able to see if it is cast in a single piece, I would be amazed if, as was suggested, the hallmarks have actually been applied to another piece of silver and then that has been added to the reverse of the badge, that would actually be very difficult to do.
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Brendan O'Carroll in his Kiwi Scorpions book has this specififc badge design described and illustrated as: 'Reproduction LRDG badges produced in white alloy and bronze. These were made in the 1970's by Russell King Badges for the British LRDG Association.'
This to me implies the Association was OK with this design differing from the original badges, perhaps we collectors are overthinking originality? Mind you O'Carroll doesn't mention hallmarked silver but I can imagine this hallmarked one being made for a veteran or a relative, possibly as a private one-off commision. The notion that a bona fide hallmark is grafted into a bogus badge seems practically impossible to me, wouldn't the silver need to be (semi-)liquid to seamlessly fuse and the hallmarks then lose their detail? Perhaps this might work on something larger, but on something this small? If made to decieve, wouldn't it be easier to fake the stamps? Why isn't the maker mark yet identified? Rgds, Thomas Last edited by fougasse1940; 01-02-18 at 12:39 AM. |
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Indeed, it's a badge not a piece of Georgian tableware.
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Thank you for your observations Thomas, and others too. The seller, who I have known for years, was unsure if the badge was WW2 or post-WW2, due to the tampering with the Hallmark, and as it was not very expensive I thought worth a punt. It is clearly post-WW2 and my own view is that at some time someone deliberately messed with the date letter of the Hallmark, at that time to deceive. It may still of course be a fake, however I will keep it in my own box of questionable items, there are a few after the last 45 years or so of collecting! Regards, Clive.
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Theres another on e-bay just stamped " silver ", the fake pattern too.
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Clive, whatever it purports to be I think we can all agree that it wasn't worn by an active serving member during the war if that's what you mean by fake.
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This association, does or did it have serving members of the LRDG ? Andy
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Even if the association were happy with a slightly different pattern, surely they would have expected better quality than the one shown !? To be honest if i were a member of this association, i wouldn't accept a different pattern. Why would you need to ?
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There are 2 on e-bay now, both apparently " silver ". Both of the Fake pattern, but at least the quality is better on these 2 !?
Andy
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LRDG Silver Badge
The LRDG Association at the time the badges were made had a number of ex members of the LRDG. I did post photos of the badges that were produced for the Association last year but cannot find my post at the moment.
The badges were produced by Russell King with the blessing of the Association. Cheers Arnhem |
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Hi,
This is a very poor quality silver badge, hard to imagine that it could have been officially made for a veteran association. Best regards .. Herve |
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