Can any of you identify Churchill's cap badge?

[chief_chum]

I believe that this photo was taken in Normandy, shortly after D-Day.
Can any of you tell me which badge Churchill has on his cap, please?

[Mike Jackson]

Taken at the Rhine Crossing I believe. He was Colonel of the QOOH and I think is wearing that badge. Mike

[manchesters]

As Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports its possible he is wearing the old 5th Bn Royal Sussex Regiment. Just a wild theory but the badge does look similar.

regards

[GriffMJ]

The Cinque Ports

[Mike Jackson]

Churchill at Rhine Crossing.jpgChurchill at Rhine Crossing.01.jpg

[Mike Jackson]

And in Berlin - mid 1945
Churchill_1945_Berlin.02.jpg

[chief_chum]

Perfect!
Thank you Gentlemen.
Much appreciated.
Taff

[NEMO]

Originally Posted by manchesters

As Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports its possible he is wearing the old 5th Bn Royal Sussex Regiment. Just a wild theory but the badge does look similar.

regards

I know I say this a lot so I will say it again .........always fantastic the depth of knowledge on this forum

[Empire collector]

Here's an earlier discussion on the forum...

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ad.php?t=11716

Conclusion.. a one off cap badge as Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports

I'm just pleased I remembered it from that far back but what I had for lunch today is a different matter!!

Alan

[Blackadder1916]

Originally Posted by manchesters

As Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports its possible he is wearing the old 5th Bn Royal Sussex Regiment. Just a wild theory but the badge does look similar.

regards

Originally Posted by Empire collector

Here's an earlier discussion on the forum...

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ad.php?t=11716

Conclusion.. a one off cap badge as Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports

Unlikely a "one off" badge solely for WLSC to wear because of his office as Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports since it was already the cap badge of the 5th (Cinque Ports) Bn, Royal Sussex Regiment as seen here courtesy of the IWM.


badge, headdress, British, 5th (Cinque Ports) Territorial Battalion, The Royal Sussex Regiment, other ranks. © IWM (INS 5749)IWM Non Commercial Licence

Churchill, however, was authorized wear of the insignia by virtue of his appointment as Honorary Colonel of the R Sussex R (TA) in 1941 (and remained so until his death in 1965). It's possible that particular Hon. Colonelcy may have been connected to his appointment as Lord Warden. Of note, following Churchill's death, the next Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports (Sir Robert Menzies, former Australian PM) was also the next HCol of the TA unit that continued the lineage of the 5th (Cinque Ports) Battalion.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/...5345/page/6570

TERRITORIAL ARMY.
R. Sussex R.
Rt. Hon. W. L. S.-Churchill, C.H., T.D.,
LL.D., M.P. (23213), Col. 4th H., Hon. Col.
R.A. and R.S. Fus., to be Hon. Col. I4th
Nov. 1941.

[Blackadder1916]

While the photos previously posted in this thread of WSC in army uniform at various time during the war show him (appropriately?) wearing the insignia of Honorary Colonel of the 5th Bn (Cinque Ports), Royal Sussex Regt, he had on occasion wore the insignia of at least one other regiment - 4th Queen's Own Hussars, in which he had served as a young officer and was appointed its Colonel in October 1941.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/...upplement/6303

REGULAR ARMY.
ROYAL ARMOURED CORPS.

4th H.
Rt. Hon. W. L. S. Churchill, C.H., T.D.,
LL.D., M.P. (23213), Hon. Col. R.A. and
R.S. Fus., is apptd. Col. 22nd Oct. 1941.
(vice Maj.-Gen. Sir Reginald Barnes, K.C.B.,
D.S.O. (54076), ret. pay). •

Winston Churchill with his daughter Sarah, on a visit to his old regiment, the 4th Queen's Own Hussars, in Egypt, 5 December 1943.
http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205196685



Winston Churchill inspecting men of the 4th Queen's Own Hussars at Loreto aerodrome, Italy, 25 August 1944.
http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205189033

(click the links to the IWM for larger images and better detail of the insignia)


I haven't found any photos showing him with insignia of the other regiments in which he held honorary appointments.

Though WSC had done his Territorial service with the Queen's Own Oxfordshire Hussars, by the time that he was invited to be their HCol, they had been one of the yeomanry regiments to be re-roled as artillery (specifically as 63rd Anti-Tank Regiment RA) thus his appointment as Hon. Colonel of that unit was in the Royal Artillery.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/...upplement/7103

TERRITORIAL ARMY
ROYAL ARTILLERY

Maj. .Rt. Hon. W. L. S. Churchill, P.C.,
C.H., T.D., M.P. (ret. T.A.), to be Hon.
Col. 21st Oct. 1939

Likewise his appointment as HCol of the 89th Heavy Anti-Aircraft Regiment was in the RA.
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/...supplement/837

TERRITORIAL ARMY.

H.A.A. REGT.
Rt. Hon. W. L. S. Churchill, C.H., T.D., LL.D.,
M.P. (23213), Col. 4th H., Hon. Col. R.A., R.S. Fus.
and R. Sussex R., to be Hon. Col. 20th Feb. 1942.

Apparently there is a connection of the 89th HAA Regt to the "Cinque Ports" and that may have been one of the reason for inviting WSC to be its HCol.
http://www-archives.chu.cam.ac.uk/pe...CHUR%202%2F353

Correspondence and Papers on WSC's duties as Lord Warden of The Cinque Ports, including: The War Office on appointment as Honorary Colonel of the 89th (Cinque Ports) Heavy Anti-Aircraft Regiment, Royal Artillery, 1941-42, with note by WSC, commenting that he was becoming Colonel of too many regiments, but that he did not want to hurt the feelings of a unit serving in the Middle East . . .

Other regiments to which he was appointed Hon. Col. of Territorial battalions were

The Royal Scots Fusiliers
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/...supplement/459

TERRITORIAL ARMY
INFANTRY.

R.S. Fus.
Maj. Rt. Hon. W. L. S. CHURCHILL,
P.C., C.H., T.D., M.P. (ret. T.A.), to be
Hon. Col. 24th Jan. 1940

and The Essex Regiment
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/...supplement/981

TERRITORIAL ARMY.

Essex R.
Rt. Hon. W. L. S. Churchill, C.H., T.D., LL.D.,
M.P. (23213), Col. 4th Queen's Own Hussars, to be
Hon. Col., 2ist Jan. 1945, vice Brig.-Gen. J. T.
Wigan, C.B., C.M.G., D.S.O., T.D., who has completed
the tenure of his appt.

And of course his appointment as Honorary Air Commodore
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/...4613/page/2266

AUXILIARY AIR FORCE.

No. 615 (County of Surrey) Squadron.
The Right Honourable Winston Spencer
CHURCHILL, C.H., M.P., is appointed
Honorary Air Commodore. 4th Apr. 1939.

[Tiger Pete]

Hi All,

Here are two photos of the display in the RSR Redoubt Museum in Eastbourne.

Kind Regards,

Pete.

[Tiger Pete]

Hi again,

It would be the officers' version, either in bronze or like the silver one centre top in my display.

Kind Regards,

Pete.