NORTHAMPTONSHIRE

[BILL DUGGAN]

I've been waiting for this badge to arrive for several weeks.

I'm always on the lookout for summat unusual and I believe I've got a real 'cat amongst the pigeons' here.

So here goes.

My books tell me that this striking of the Northamptons badge is pre c.1900 i.e with the long key etc.

However this one has a slider which advisers on this website tell me indicates a 20th Century badge. ???????

Now before the usual chorus line has my ears ringing with the word 'RESTRIKE' could I just point out that the badge does show signs of minimal polishing wear. (but not a lot)

It has two sweat holes behind the brass scroll and a slightly tapering slider.

I would be glad to hear any comment about this badge; which appears to break all the rules.

Bill

[BILL DUGGAN]

As a further twist to the above.

Dress regulations for The British Army reprinted in book form and published in 1970 shows the later pattern of badge with the small key and no flag on the castle.

curiouser and curiouser; I think I need the help of a 'Guru' on the case.

Bill

[jeanpit-frenchy]

hi

i have buy a similar badge some years ago (pictures below)

the brazing holes are stranges.... i think they have been drilled

for me, my badge is a fake

[Sonofacqms]

Also made in the 1916 economy version.

Rob

[BILL DUGGAN]

Thank you Alan.

Dies that were used pre 1900 can of course be used many years later (as evidenced by Fox glengarry restrikes)

If you got a thousand men from the same regiment on parade and inspected their cap badges with a magnifying glass is it rational thinking that every cap badge would be from the exact same die and have exactly the same minute details.

I think this proves that not every badge that is different in some way is a forgery that somone knocked up in the garden shed or at the kitchen table.

Nice to hear some common sense at last.

Once again, thank you............Bill

[Keith Blakeman]

Originally Posted by BILL DUGGAN

Thank you Alan.

Dies that were used pre 1900 can of course be used many years later (as evidenced by Fox glengarry restrikes)

If you got a thousand men from the same regiment on parade and inspected their cap badges with a magnifying glass is it rational thinking that every cap badge would be from the exact same die and have exactly the same minute details.

I think this proves that not every badge that is different in some way is a forgery that somone knocked up in the garden shed or at the kitchen table.

Nice to hear some common sense at last.

Once again, thank you............Bill

Common sense at last has nothing to do with it, every badge should be treated on merit. This along with the East Surrey example mentioned by Alan above are exceptions to the rule. Just because you don't want to hear about re-strikes and repros because it doesn't suit doesn't mean others shouldn't voice an opinion. It'll get to the point where you post questions and nobody will be bothered to answer because they know what's coming other than those who like a row.

[James G]

Bill,

In my opinion there is nothing wrong with having a slider on this badge. As has been said above the design appears to have continued into the WW1 period. However on your particular badge I think the round sweat holes are wrong. All the genuine long key Northamptonshire badges I have seen have oblong sweat holes.

James

[buckiebeetle]

HI, I have one bi metal with lugs & no sweat holes that I suspect to be a repro, but another intresting one in bronze, with the bend over clasp type fitting.key but no flag. any ideas on this one anyone.- John.

[BILL DUGGAN]

Keith, that's the second time you've had a pop at me.

You are obviously some kind of harrassing cyber bully.

Nobody is asking you to read my postings. I'd be glad if you never responded or read any more of them.

Good-Bye.

James, as I pointed out in my earlier posting. Not every badge that is slightly different is 'Wrong' (as you call it)

Just imagine a thousand man battalion on parade. Do you honestly expect that every mans cap badge was exactly the same in every minute detail.

I think not.

I'm just begging people on this website to be sensible.

People from all over the world CAN log on and I get that feeling that perfectly good badges COULD be consigned to the rubbish tip because of something that is said on this website.

I'm not losing sleep over it, I'm just asking you lads to be sensible.

Have a good day ...........Bill

[Keith Blakeman]

Originally Posted by BILL DUGGAN

Keith, that's the second time you've had a pop at me. Good-Bye.

Only to try and help enlighten you.

You are obviously some kind of harrassing cyber bully.

I don't think so.

Nobody is asking you to read my postings.

I'll read what I like and comment accordingly, that's what a forum is all about, opinions. If you don't want opinions then don't post. It's not my fault if you can't take advice which is offered with all good intentions.

I'd be glad if you never responded or read any more of them.

Suits me but I will still read them and may respond if I feel it's necessary.

[JimD]

Originally Posted by BILL DUGGAN

Thank you Alan.

Dies that were used pre 1900 can of course be used many years later (as evidenced by Fox glengarry restrikes)

If you got a thousand men from the same regiment on parade and inspected their cap badges with a magnifying glass is it rational thinking that every cap badge would be from the exact same die and have exactly the same minute details.

I think this proves that not every badge that is different in some way is a forgery that somone knocked up in the garden shed or at the kitchen table.

Nice to hear some common sense at last.

Once again, thank you............Bill

Bill your second sentence makes no sense, you seem to have totally disregarded die wear, those thousand men would have minute differences in their badges due to die wear if nothing else, like some more enthusiastic polishing.

Cheers
Jim

[BILL DUGGAN]

Hi Jim,

How much 'die wear' do you imagine would be tolerated before the product inspectors halted production ?

How many thousands of badges could be produced before die wear shows up on the finished product.

We're not talking about sand casting name plates for steam engines here or precision parts for plastic Airfix kits.

Sometimes I wonder if anyone on this site has ever worked in an industrial production environment.

Have a good day..........Bill

[BILL DUGGAN]

Keith, you scaring me now, once again G.B.

[LONGSHANKS]

I tend to agree, the detail that makes it most questionable is the sweat holes. No doubt, as I wouldn't doubt Alan's comment; the use of some badge design's beyond their end date was known. To date he hasn't advised me wrong.

But I do agree also, no sense in ditching it to duff box just yet. You never know what come's along.

My other comment would be the softness of the striking to the rear, not as sharp as this one. This has the oblong sweats. It has what i would consider the sharpness required of the period of manufacture when British industry prided itself in it's quality. Needs some loving care of the lugs though....

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ictureid=50724

Just my opinion

Many regards

Simon.

[LONGSHANKS]

Hi Alan, would you have the back of this one handy.

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ictureid=14382

Regards
Simon.