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Old 09-06-18, 10:47 PM
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City of Vancouver Archives,AM54-S4-: LP 229.1 ca.Nov.1917

Men identified (left to right): Back row: J.O.F.H. Orr (29th), A.F. Holliwell, J.U. Southin (29th), unidentified (CAMC), A.H. Middleton, J. Harvey (29th), O.U. Butler, J.A.B. Hoyle(78th), F.G.J. Bezeau (CADC), W.V.B. Webb, J. Bushnell. Front row: E.R.M. Cochrane (7th), F.A. Hewer, J.W. Smith (72nd), unidentified (29th), Ross(29th), H. St. J. Montizambert (29th), R.H. Tupper (16th), D.E. Carlton (7th), J.D. Beatson, E. Gallant (29th), H.F. Maskell (Paymaster).


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Old 10-06-18, 10:48 PM
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Jo,

Another good photo from the Vancouver archives. The quality of their photos is so high they look like they were taken yesterday.

I notice that almost all of the left sleeves visible show a wound stripe, some multiple, but none of them, save one, are showing medal ribbons. If they're veterans of the Western front, why no medals?

I also noticed that many of the officers are wearing Depot Bn. cap badges with collar badges from their overseas units.

H. St. J. Montizambert was a Lieutenant in the 72nd Regiment with seniority from September 10, 1914, serving in the CEF. As of April 1, 1917, there's no indication of further promotion to brevet or temporary rank.

R.H. Tupper was a Captain in the 72nd Regiment with seniority from October 23, 1914, serving in the CEF. He was made a Temporary Major on April 25, 1916. (Maybe his sour face is due to the fact he was senior to Montizambert in the NPAM, but is now serving under him in the CEF.)

Ross may be J.C. Ross, a Lieutenant in the 6th Regiment with seniority from October 14, 1914, serving in the CEF. Again, there is no indication of brevet or temporary rank for him, as of April 1, 1917. Interestingly, he is one of three persons named J. Ross who received a Lieutenant's commission in the 6th Regiment on October 14, 1914.

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The1914-1915 Star medal was authorized in December 1918. This medal is always issued with the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
The 1914–15 Star was instituted in December 1918 and was awarded to officers and men of British and Imperial forces who served against the Central European Powers in any theatre of the Great War between 5 August 1914 and 31 December 1915

The British War medal was authorized on 26 July 1919. It was possible to receive this medal alone but all gallantry medals would receive the British War Medal (BWM) and the Victory Medal (VM) as well.
The medal was awarded to all ranks of Canadian overseas military forces who came from Canada between 5 August 1914 and 11 November 1918, or who had served in a theatre of war. Those who had enlisted in the Overseas Military Forces of Canada (OMFC) in the United Kingdom and had not served in a theatre of war were not entitled to this medal.


The Victory medal was agreed to by all allies in March 1919. All medals were to be almost identical to obviate the need to exchange allied medals and each was patterned after a French medal of 1870. The medal was authorized in Britain (and for Canadians) on 01 September 1919.
The medal was awarded to all ranks of the fighting forces, to civilians under contract, and others employed with military hospitals who actually served on the establishment of a unit in a theatre of war between 05 August 1914 and 11 November 1918 (inclusive). It was also awarded to members of the British Naval mission to Russia 1919 - 1920 and for mine clearance in the North Sea between 11 November 1918 and 30 November 1919. This medal was always issued with the British War Medal.
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The 1914-1915 Star medal was authorized in December 1918.

The British War medal was authorized on 26 July 1919.

The Victory medal was agreed to by all allies in March 1919.
Thanks Jo. I'm not a "Medals or Decorations" guy. My specialties are documents and paperwork. I really thought that these officers would be wearing their decorations. Now I know why they weren't.

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After reviewing the photo,I'm asking myself if and a big IF,if J.A.B. Hoyle 8th from the left, in the last row is wearing the officer's cap badge of the 88th. Bn.CEF.....of a photo of the said badge supplied by Ian Candy in 2012 in the CEF section....a badge not in reference works...
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The 88th Battalion officer's cap badge in browning copper is listed in The Charlton Standard Catalogue of First World War Canadian Infantry Badges.
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Has anyone any idea as to what the small round badge that several of them are wearing on their left breast pocket flaps might be?.
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Has anyone any idea as to what the small round badge that several of them are wearing on their left breast pocket flaps might be?.
Could it be this badge...
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http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/rememb...ons/details/27
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It could be Jo, depending on when it was introduced. It looks the right size. I also notice that Captain J. W. Smith looks to be wearing the ribbon of the DSO. Captain J. Harvey appears to be wearing the ribbon of the MM.
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From LAC, Captain James Harvey's file.
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http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?...&id=B4135-S047
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From LAC, Captain James Harvey's file.
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Very interesting Jo, even if a bit confusing.
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