Boys/Juniors Badges?

[Guzzman]

I need some help identifying some mystery badges which may (or may not) have been worn by Boys or Juniors at their training establishments.

The first two badges feature a ships wheel. Both of these badges feature an EIGHT-spoked wheel. The only eight-spoked wheel badge I am aware of is that issued to Boy Coxswains (subsequently Junior Coxswains) at Ganges or St. Vincent. However, I think these were issued without any additional stars or crowns. The badges I have (see images below) are different - one has a Queen's Crown above it and the other a star.

All the RN ships wheel badges issued to adult ratings (Coxswains and Quartermasters) have a SIX-spoked wheel. Any ideas please?

The third badge is rather different but may still be linked to Boys. The badge (see image below) consists of a small King's Crown above two Good Conduct badges. The reason I wonder if this badge is linked to Boys is because in 1878 the badge for Petty Officer Boys was changed to a crown above Good Conduct badges. A boy could not be rated as a Petty Officer Boy without Good Conduct and proficiency badges. Then, in 1898, it was decided that Petty Officer Boys could not have more than two Good Conduct badges. By 1907 the regulations were changed again and Petty Officer Boys were only allowed to wear one Good Conduct badge. So it would appear that this badge, consisting of a small King's Crown above two Good Conduct badges, would be a Petty Officer Boy's badge dating between 1901-07.

HOWEVER, there is a problem. When Petty Officer Boys adopted a small crown as their badge in 1878 the Good Conduct badges were reduced in size from those used by adult ratings. The Good Conduct badges here are full-sized adult issue.

The badge shown here is in two parts with the small crown having been stitched onto the Good Conduct badges. These seem to have been together for some time. The entire badge has been attached to a uniform as pieces of thread are still attached. Is it a fake, a mistake or something else? Any help or ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Pete