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2 RWF
From a collection of photographs that surfaced today - the bush hat flash worn by 2 RWF, 29 Inf Bde in India 1943. Quality isn't brilliant, but there was a war on after all!
2 RWF_29 Inf Bde_India_1943,Bush Hat Badge.01.jpg2 RWF_29 Inf Bde_India_1943,Bush Hat Badge.02.jpg |
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Interesting - the generic fusilier collar badge/shoulder title/etc grenade and is that a 2 Div sign?
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Perhaps I'm kidding myself, but when I look at his bush hat flash I see a rampant Welch dragon. Mike
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I did at first, but..... began to doubt........ now you show the dragon with RWF below it seems to come together. Any input from that ex-RWF chap Toby P that pops up occasionally?
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Here is the more recent 'red dragon' RWF TRF for comparison.
Tim
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I am still looking for British Army cloth Formation, Regimental, Battalion, Company and other Unit sleeve badges, from 1980 onwards. Last edited by 54Bty; 09-02-22 at 05:33 PM. |
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The photograph must have been taken earlier than September 1944 when the 2/RWF were transferred to the 36th Infantry Division.
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You are right Marc, it was reintroduced (along with shoulder titles) by Lt Gen Jonathan Riley when he was commanding officer, and worn especially during a tour in Bosnia. The quality of the badge was much better than the last pattern (as posted above) and included the correct RWF in Gothic letters. The origin as a headdress badge relates to the Militia pre-1881, but it was also an early badge on the Colours of the 23rd Foot.
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I am still looking for British Army cloth Formation, Regimental, Battalion, Company and other Unit sleeve badges, from 1980 onwards. Last edited by 54Bty; 09-02-22 at 05:33 PM. |
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Yes, that’s the one I was referring to. General Riley was always interested in regimental history and also reintroduced the use of metal shoulder titles (WW1 style) on some forms of dress. He has since become a highly respected and successful historian and author. Sadly his influence on dress was short lived.
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As an ignoramus in this matter, could I ask when the 'Dragon rampant' emblem was adopted by (23) RWF and associated corps in place of the classic 'Dagon passant' of the national emblem?
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Footnote: Cadwaldr’s Dragon was described as fiery gold and this fiery aspect was created in depiction by colouring the dragon’s head and upper surface red, with the underside gold. Over time the red was extended over the whole body. From 1881 until the 1920s the RWF used a distinctly Griffin style dragon for its insignia, with beak, feathers and a curved tail. During WW1 the depiction in print became more stylised as a dragon with scales and a loop in its tail and, at some point in the 1920s, the insignia followed suit. Henry Tudor claimed descendence from Cadwaldr and adopted his Red Dragon, which can be seen on lampposts all along the Thames in the exact same configuration as used by RWF from the 1920s. As King George V was the colonel in chief of the RWF, there might have been some influence from him, but that is merely conjecture on my part. Last edited by Toby Purcell; 23-06-18 at 06:45 AM. |
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