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#16
08-06-12, 08:30 PM
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These are almost certainly not Irish guards badges although there are two metal collar badges to the IG that I can think of the Foreign Service frock collars (which these are not) and the NCO tropical mess dress collar badges (which I have only heard of and never seen).
Silver shamrocks with screw fittings were the first pattern cross belt pouch badge for the Royal Iish Rangers officers replaced very quickly by the "Barossa Eagle" . I have one of these and will post it later. I thought that the stem only went to the right, as viewed, on these. You might have South African Irish items. Can you post better quality photos? John 
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10-06-12, 01:18 PM
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below the image of what I have been informed is the Royal Irish Rangers first pattern officers cross belt pouch badge . Note the fitments. the badge appears to be silver. This is the only reference I have come across to these badges with scew post fitments. I would not have expected them to make a facing pair tp address "Mikeden's" post.
John
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10-06-12, 02:40 PM
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John,
I have two patern of collar for the Sth. African Irish all with clutch pins and I have one identical Shamrock with screw posts which I assumed was also a Sth. African Irish collar. If it is a Royal Irish Rangers pouch badge it seems very small, at aprox 25mm X 25mm. Eddie
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10-06-12, 07:37 PM
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yes it would be one of the smaller pouch badges, and perhaps the smaller ones are cross belt boss badges. The info I had came from an online forum, I have mislaid who provided it. I do remember they mentioned they had worked/served at St Patrick's Barracks. Apparently worn on formation but only for a short period. Mentioned in the first edition dress regulations (which I have not seen), apparently photos exist with General Harris wearing it in 1968. A smaller version also worn on the cross belt boss. Can our S. African freinds comment on whether the S.A. Irish would have collar badges with screw post fittings, or indeed any accouterment badges that would justify screw posts? John
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10-06-12, 08:51 PM
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John,
Thank you for your reply and I hope our Sth. African Members know whether they are Sth. African Irish Regiment. I hope to be in the Royal Irish Museum (RUR) sometime in the next couple of weeks, I will take the screw post shamrock with me and see if they know whether the Rangers used them. I will let you know what they say. Whether they are Sth African Irish, Royal Irish Rangers or London Irish Rifles they do not look like WW1 era. Eddie
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11-06-12, 11:33 AM
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I am not sure that the harp with crown collar badge is a London Irish item. To the best of my knowledge only shamrocks were worn (by all ranks) until recent times when the A/A QC harps were introduced for O/R. John
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11-06-12, 10:46 PM
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Will get better photos posted thanks for your help
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11-06-12, 10:55 PM
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irish guards ?
Hi John my badges are very similar but are not silver in colour more brass or gold like will post better photos
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12-06-12, 01:39 AM
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The only brass/GM shamrock collars to the Irish Guards that I am aware of is of a different design (see below). This is pattern number 5134 sealed 21/05/1901 worn only on the Scarlet Frock when abroad. These have loop fittings not screw posts. John some related insignia. South African Irish http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...+african+irish Last edited by John Mulcahy; 12-06-12 at 01:58 AM. Reason: added link to S.A. Irish
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#29
12-06-12, 03:27 PM
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Shamrock badges
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