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I'd wondered about trinket boxes, cigarette cases etc but photo frames hadn't occurred to me.
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Does anyone know if the valise was worn after 1939?
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No ref. too hand, but I believe that it wasn't.
There is a St Eds Crown WG "valise plate" in use but it's worn in Glory Order on the transponder pack (one went for £45 a few months ago on eBay). I don't know if the other Foot Guards regiments wear similar badges. |
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After recent months spent examining contemporary images I strongly believe that in terms of form and function the cartouche badge, especially for Foot Guards, was the true conception/origin of the undress/forage cap badge as we know it today. Incredibly the 2nd and 3rd Foot Guards cartouche badge of 1799 was identical to the forage cap badge worn today by the Coldstream and Scots Guards. A potential third purpose was as a bed plate, but I am unsure whether that usage was just a way to use up large stocks of a dual purpose badge that had been in use for many decades, after a smaller pattern badge was introduced for the 'Brodrick styled' (it was not a true Brodrick) Guards Pattern forage cap, issued in 1900, that was worn square on the head without chinstrap, as well as a much larger valise badge that had to all intents and purposes replaced the cartouche badge as an item of Guards insignia. Last edited by Toby Purcell; 23-09-17 at 10:24 AM. |
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I was refering to the valise but I was thinking of the greatcoat (I zero'd in on the valise plate rather than the order of dress). My mistake, but were the straps & folded greatcoat worn after WWII? I thought not.
WG in Guard Order c1936. The drawing on the right shows CG wearing the pre-1936 Guard Order with folded greatcoat & rolled cape, on the left is the Order as of October 1936 with folded cape only. The cape was worn in the same fashion when the greatcoat was worn. Last edited by leigh kitchen; 23-09-17 at 08:22 AM. |
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The cape only order version was apparently a King Edward VIII innovation.
It could well be that it did continue after WWII, I just got the idea that WWII saw it off. Speaking as someone who never had to wear it, I think the greatcoat Guard Order was a smart order of dress. |
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I was talking about the Coldstream's Valise only, I too, am of the opinion that they were not, but, yes, you certainly encounter the tall end, wooden top with the black pack, in, for example, St James's park, on occasion, doing his thing and sporting a badge, but, nothing to do with the valise.
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That'll be a faux valise presumably, I have a photo somewhere of a GG wearing a large square box on his back but rather than black it was covered in red tunic cloth, taken when the equipment was in its early days of use.
"A Guardsmen in the park" - now that used to be a n infamous headline years ago. |
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That is very interesting, was this the practice of all the regiments or just the Coldstream?
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It was the practice of all the Foot Guard regiments, each of which had its own pattern of valise badge, just as they had previously with the cartouche badge.
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