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Old 10-01-17, 07:57 PM
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Default Help Needed to ID three British Officers.

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Undated and unattributed photo,except taken by No.1 Army Film and Photographic Unit.


http://media.iwm.org.uk/ciim5/543/503/large_000000.jpg
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Old 10-01-17, 08:05 PM
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Hi Jo,
Is that not Lt. Gen. "Boy" Browning on the right? I'm puzzled by the toorie on his cap.
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Old 10-01-17, 08:13 PM
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Hi Jo,
Is that not Lt. Gen. "Boy" Browning on the right? I'm puzzled by the toorie on his cap.
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Don't think so ...he looks too old to be Browning.
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Browning was a Grenadier Guardsman and left the Army in Sep 48. On the left is CO 1 Lincolns, possible Lt Col Oulton (9 (?) Inf Bde, 3 Inf Div - possibly in the Canal Zone c 1949. The SF experts should be able to identify the officer in the centre by his rank and Force 136 etc wings on his chest. My first thought was that the officer on the right was Lt Gen Cassels, but the date I suggested doesn't fit. I believe the aircraft is an Avro Anson. Mike
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General Sir Gordon Holmes Alexander MacMillan on the right ??
GOC British Forces Palestine Trans-Jordan 1947-48
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gord...nder_MacMillan

1 LINCOLNS were in Jordan in 1948
At left Lt Col (later Brigadier) Ralph Henry Lefroy OULTON ??

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The same Lt Col Oulton who commanded O Force, Jordan (essentially comprised of 1 Lincolns). The O Force formation sign featured a swan (because in the view of the CO it was all a bit of a "swan" when compared to the Canal Zone). Mike
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Undated and unattributed photo,except taken by No.1 Army Film and Photographic Unit.


http://media.iwm.org.uk/ciim5/543/503/large_000000.jpg
The officer in the centre of the picture is Brigadier A M Anstruther (late RE) SOE in WW2

His medals were sold by DNW in 2010
https://www.dnw.co.uk/auction-archiv...&lot_id=187061

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Old 26-05-17, 09:56 AM
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Tim,
Excellent. Just goes to show you had to work hard to merit an OBE in those days - building roads in Malaya rather than pushing paper!
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The officer in the centre of the picture is Brigadier A M Anstruther (late RE) SOE in WW2

His medals were sold by DNW in 2010
https://www.dnw.co.uk/auction-archiv...&lot_id=187061

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Great detective work,congrats.


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No offence meant at all - but the Brigadier in the middle has a DSO and two MCs. Which Anstruther didn't.
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A "possible" ID of the Brigadier in the middle.

Brigadier Edmund Frank "Trotsky" Davies (Royal Ulster Rifles).
He had the DSO (1945) as well as MC (1920 Mesopotamia) and bar (1938 Palestine). Was SOE, parachuted into Albania (later wounded and captured) and (according to one unsubstantiated internet reference) was serving in Jerusalem contemporary to the photo. It appears that while commander of 9th Infantry Brigade was appointed Military Governor over areas of Jerusalem.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/C1588-Brig...p2047675.l2557

http://www.specialforcesroh.com/show...Frank-(Trotsky)

A photo in which he is identified.
https://soetrails.files.wordpress.co...lly-mclean.png

and something additional found
http://www.britisharmedforces.org/li...mages/ILN6.jpg
Captioned - On inspection journey by armoured car along the railway from Jerusalem to Artuf: Brigadier Edmond F. Davies, commanding the 9th Infantry Brigade.

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And some film of the event that is the subject of the photo in the OP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0NuGK-Lm2M
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Good gracious, his parachute badge is huge!


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A "possible" ID of the Brigadier in the middle.

Brigadier Edmund Frank "Trotsky" Davies (Royal Ulster Rifles).
He had the DSO (1945) as well as MC (1920 Mesopotamia) and bar (1938 Palestine). Was SOE, parachuted into Albania (later wounded and captured) and (according to one unsubstantiated internet reference) was serving in Jerusalem contemporary to the photo. It appears that while commander of 9th Infantry Brigade was appointed Military Governor over areas of Jerusalem.



A photo in which he is identified.
https://soetrails.files.wordpress.co...lly-mclean.png
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The officer in the centre of the picture is Brigadier A M Anstruther (late RE) SOE in WW2

His medals were sold by DNW in 2010
https://www.dnw.co.uk/auction-archiv...&lot_id=187061

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Are you sure? The ribbons on the officer in the IWM photo (DSO, MC and bar, MID) don't match the medals as sold.
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Old 26-05-17, 07:35 PM
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Are you sure? The ribbons on the officer in the IWM photo (DSO, MC and bar, MID) don't match the medals as sold.
Indeed the medals do not match as there is no DSO, MC and Bar or MID! Although perhaps the faces do.

Back to the drawing board and more research needed.

Apologies to all for false intelligence. Should have gone to Specsavers.

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