French and Dutch buttons.

[Martyn123]

Good morning.

The small artillery button is made in Paris. The fusilier (?) Button is Dutch and maybe the other larger artillery button. Any ideas as to date for these?

Thanks
Martyn

[Wmr-RHB]

I am not sure which one you call the "fusilier (?) button" (something explanation like "from left to right ...." might help), but I see no Dutch connection for all three buttons.

And there is only one regiment in the Netherlands that has the word "Fusiliers" in heir title, the Garde Regiment Fusiliers Prinses Irene. Their badge is crown with a scroll PRINCESS IRENE beneath.

Here it is on a beret badge, where it mounted on the double W of al beret badges: https://www.defensie.nl/binaries/con...e/trad04-1.jpg

[Martyn123]

The one on the left is made in Utrecht. The Fusiliers button was described as such because of the grenade insignia.

[btns]

1. Dutch Army, Grenadeers
2. Dutch Army, Artillery
3. French Artillery (but there are other options, e.g. Swiss)

[Wmr-RHB]

IMHO the connection between fusiliers and grenade badges is typical British. In any case, in the Dutch army it is not a phenomenon.

In the Dutch army there are grenades in the badges of the Garde Regiment Grenadiers, the Koninklijke Marechaussee and the Korps Commando Troepen. But none of them n the form as shown in he leftmost button.

[Wmr-RHB]

Originally Posted by btns

1. Dutch Army, Grenadeers
2. Dutch Army, Artillery

And what period?

As said above, the grenade is not the one used by the Grenadiers at least since WW2.
And the Artillery uses guns not at a 90⁰ angle and has a crown above.

[Martyn123]

Originally Posted by btns

1. Dutch Army, Grenadeers
2. Dutch Army, Artillery
3. French Artillery (but there are other options, e.g. Swiss)

Many thanks. Any ideas as to date. The French artillery is made in Paris so unless made for another country I would presume French.

Regards

Martyn

[Martyn123]

Originally Posted by Wmr-RHB

And what period?

As said above, the grenade is not the one used by the Grenadiers at least since WW2.
And the Artillery uses guns not at a 90⁰ angle and has a crown above.

Many thanks Henk.

The construction looks pretty old so I was thinking ww1 or before but not 100℅. I'm also wandering if the grenadiers was made for the French under contract in Holland?

[btns]

The two Dutch buttons are from the 2nd half of the 19th century.
The buttons Henk describes are post WWII designs.

The French, Swiss or ... artillery button has a manufacturers name.
Can you read it?

[Martyn123]

Thanks for the info. The French one has a small amount of corrosion on the back which looks like a zinc alloy (?). What you can read is "& cie 17M Paris. The 17M is presumably the size in mm.