Early construction WW1 RND Badge?

[Unknownsoldier]

Most of those look awful..........

[royston]

Discolouration due to heat from brazing and if flux was left on over a period of time this would also cause discolouration. Workmanship is very old. Mr B (auctioneer) was very happy with it, now I may not always know the answer, but with his many years in the business, I would go by his judgement and yes I did buy it from him!

John

[magpie]

Just my opinion but it shouldn't be discoloured, the RND is a later addition to the badge.
Andy.

[ncc]

the first badge mention in this thread,seems to have a modern cast RND s/title soldered to a genuine MGC cap badge.
the second badge is more interesting genuine MGC badge genuine RND s/title.
the construction looks more like badge factory than field work.
the no lugs is not a problem if made in a badge factory.
and not all RND badges were made by gaunts.
the conundrum to me is the oxidation from the heat process and it being still there. if made in a factory it should have been pickled and would have disappeared.
also if as royston states it is brazed the oxidation is too localised,it takes alot of heat to make a braze joint.
but most of this is as usual just speculation and i would really like to think that the old boys could make a joint like that without oxidising the whole badge.
and when ever it was done all you are going to have is a genuine badge and a genuine s/title fixed together and that one is just that and very neat job as well.
Bob

[2747andy]

I'm yet to be convinced that any part of this "Knock Up" is genuine, apart from the solder! The Title part in my opinion is 100% copy/fake (which would date the marriage post 1970's) and the MGC badge looks like a Repro that has had it's slider bashed about a bit!

Most small crowned MGC cap badge have feint lines within the elipse below the headband of the crown, which I cannot see on this particular example, a few examples of "Genuine" variations shown below. Mr "B" may like it but Mr "P" certainly does not! I think it is 100% a "BIG FAT FAKE"!

Andy

[Unknownsoldier]

Is it me, or is this a spray-tanned fake with push fasteners added?

http://www.whartonmilitaria.co.uk/de...s&item=WRU0012

[ncc]

Originally Posted by 2747andy

I'm yet to be convinced that any part of this "Knock Up" is genuine, apart from the solder! The Title part in my opinion is 100% copy/fake (which would date the marriage post 1970's) and the MGC badge looks like a Repro that has had it's slider bashed about a bit!

Most small crowned MGC cap badge have feint lines within the elipse below the headband of the crown, which I cannot see on this particular example, a few examples of "Genuine" variations shown below. Mr "B" may like it but Mr "P" certainly does not! I think it is 100% a "BIG FAT FAKE"!

Andy

we will have to agree to disagree on the badge ,i have seen well defined lines, faint lines and no lines on original MGC badges.
would have been a massive order probably somewhere in the region of 180,000 to 200.000 badges,if all done by the same company if not the dies will be different anyway.(can't understand why people pay £20/£25 for such a common badge)
the ones at the end of run will be done with dies that are worn and have slight differences to the ones at the start of a run.
even get different ft/lbs on a press thats not been oiled properly.
blank cutters that have not been hardened properly and wear out after a day leaving ragged edges.
its not such a precise science as people make out especially in war time when alot of the original personnel would have joined up.
Bob

[Old Smelly]

Found this in an odds box, it's had the slider removed and has been soldered and glued to something. I've read a few threads but still not sure what to think
Lee

[Paul_Hermitage]

Hi All,

Sorry for the delay. Been quite a busy time. Some more pics of the crown attached.

I have been looking through RND archive photo's and alas, I have not even found a picture of anybody even wearing this badge in the RND. Plenty with the battalion badges.

I guess without any firm evidence of production methods of these badges, this just becomes a curio.

Anyway, I would just like to say thanks again for all your support.

Kindest Regards

Paul

[royston]

Reference illustrations of the badge being worn. A.C.Motts book Machine Gunner. ISBN 0 946995-79-6 Published by Galango Books, shows two photographs of the badge attached to the cap, in this case three caps. The photographs also show the formation sign.

John