The Leinster Regiment Royal Canadians

[Malcolm Davey]

Hi Chaps
I thought you would like to see two Genuine examples of this badge, the Bi Metal and Economy versions for reference.

Cheers
Malc

[jeanpit-frenchy]

the picture from the cap badge that a tommy give at my grand father during the WW1 at ZEGERS CAPPEL .

the back side with the nice WW1 type of sldering (holes..)


your bicolore badge seen "strange" for me for the "economie" i dont know i never seen one ....

[Malcolm Davey]

Hello Frenchy welcome to the forum
Nothing wrong with these two badges me old mate the Bi Metal is just a variant from yours, here is my other one with the same shape braze holes as your example.

Cheers
Malc

[Rockape]

Here is another OSD this time.

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[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by jochim

jeanpit-frenchy
No need to be sorry, this forum is all about learning and getting information to help each other.
It would be nice to see some of your other badges when you have time.

All the best
Cheers
Malc

I have seen a another version where the manufacturer clearly had to use the more curved feathers from the Welsh Regt (41st Foot and later re-titled Welch) cap badge, but with 'The Leinster' title scroll. A typical case of WW1 pragmatism.

[Alan O]

I recently got this one. There is a flaw on the title from what appears to be a blob of flux. I am not happy with it as it looks a bit odd.

Alan

[KLR]

Looks very clean - though that's probably the light / flaqsh / scanner.
I have a KLR 1st VB with a similar slight slip of flux. I didn't like it at first but that's ptobably snobbery and I'm not going to fork out another £100 for a "clean" one !!!!

[John Mulcahy]

Alan

The 1915 (at least I think it is 1915) Leinster Regiment version with the Welsh Regiment scrolls is frequently seen with "imperfections".

Here is my (genuine) example - as you can see the title has not been attached perfectly square to the main component.

there is a circular sweat hole behind the Coronet.

John

[John Mulcahy]

Another example of the regular Leinster O/R design with slider. This version (genuine one shown on the left) with slightly different sweat holes than the other examples shown. The badge on the right is a fake.
To spot the fakes I use the following guidelines

1) In my opinion all genuine regular pattern badges to the Leinsters should have sweat holes.
2) I have never seen a genuine O/R example with a makers mark.
3) Be suspicious of rough edges and evidence of artificial aging. Note in this example the fake badge on the right has dis-colourations consistent with an attempt to age it.

Here is the classic fake 1916 economy badge

1) J.R.Gaunt.London makers mark
2) Short non-tapered slider
3) More raised that the genuine strike which is flatter - see Malc's. earlier example of an original badge.
4) Stems of feathers short compared to original.

[Luke H]

Hi chaps,

I am very particular when it comes to badges I purchase generally liking them to showing signs of bull on the front, with nice tapering sliders and showing their age on the back. One badge I have trouble with in particular in the Leinster Regt I already own one I am happy with but have the chance of purchasing another for my uncle who also collects, I never ever see Leinster regiment badges at fairs that look polished on the front and show genuine age and are smooth on the back as well as having a nice slider. This particular example is lugged does look old on the back but more like its been in the ground, doesn't look that nicely polished on the ich dien angular scrolls but does have ok braze holes. Can anyone with more experience please advise?

Cheers & Much appreciated,

Luke

[Rockape]

Hi Luke, Without handling the badge, it would be difficult to say for certain. However, don't be put off by the lugs. It is from a earlier period than the slidered variety and has the right brasing holes. From the picture it looks as though it is worth a look. I have one almost identical with pinched lugs. Beware of trusting badges that are polished. It is a known tactic by unscrupulous vendors to polish a badge in order to replicate 'soldier wear and tear'

Garry

[John Mulcahy]

Luke

that badge looks good to me, the only sweat holes that I have seen faked are circular and easy to spot.

John

[Keith Blakeman]

Luke,

There's an old story that does the rounds in collectors circles that a few years ago a whole box full of un-issued Leinster's were discovered during a stores clear out somewhere or other. All were still wrapped in their protective paper. This may explain the high amount of pristine examples seen.

[Luke H]

Originally Posted by John Mulcahy

Luke

that badge looks good to me, the only sweat holes that I have seen faked are circular and easy to spot.

John

Hi John,

My uncle had a Leinster off ebay (pics below) which he's unsure about it. The braze holes it has I would say look more oval/lozenge than cirular but the ones in the position of the coronet are verging on circular is that what you mean? he was worried he may have made a mistake
Thanks to everyone who's replied much appreciated

Luke

[Toby Purcell]

Your badge looks good to me Luke. Am not as expert as many here but have been collecting for 30 years and focussing on 1914 badges and shoulder titles.