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Old 25-09-17, 06:50 PM
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I've been offered this stopwatch, but as I know next to nothing about these, I was hoping maybe someone here could shed some light

From what the seller tells me it's in fully working order, and he thinks from WW1-era.
It has the WD arrow and the inscription TP to the rear, along with a 1/10 mark, which I'm assuming means it measures to a 10th of a second?
The maker is Excelsior Parks, which from what I can gather is considered a very good maker. The box is not original.

My questions are; is there any way to determine the era it was manufactured (WW1/WW2) and what would be a reasonable price to pay?
He's asking £30.

Any information greatly appreciated!

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Old 25-09-17, 07:20 PM
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Hospitals amongst others also used the arrow on equipment so someone who knows what this was used for may give you an idea where it may have come from, the stamping/engraving style looks more modern to me from the pictures, try Google it find one the same.
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Old 25-09-17, 07:26 PM
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Hospitals amongst others also used the arrow on equipment so someone who knows what this was used for may give you an idea where it may have come from, the stamping/engraving style looks more modern to me from the pictures, try Google it find one the same.
I automatically thought Royal Artillery, but of course, there would have been many uses for a stopwatch, like for instance hosptals.
I've tried googling, but couldn't find one the same. The only thing I noticed was that the post-WW1 models seemed to have more face dials and looked more precise.
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Colin,
The 1/10 (one tenth of a second) was introduced in 1912, technological advances by 1920 brought in the 1/100, the 1/10 was and is still made and used.
The TP is Trade Pattern though this watch having the addition of the broad arrow would indicate a purchase for military use possibly with one of all 3 services.
A search of the maker may help date the watch more accurately.
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Just noticed Paul said hospitals also used the arrow, I didn't know that! It may well be a Hospital watch with the TP stamp MP being Military Pattern

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Colin,
The 1/10 (one tenth of a second) was introduced in 1912, technological advances by 1920 brought in the 1/100, the 1/10 was and is still made and used.
The TP is Trade Pattern though this watch having the addition of the broad arrow would indicate a purchase for military use possibly with one of all 3 services.
A search of the maker may help date the watch more accurately.
Paul
Just noticed Paul said hospitals also used the arrow, I didn't know that! It may well be a Hospital watch with the TP stamp MP being Military Pattern
Thanks Paul

I didn't know the 1/10 was introduced as late as 1912!
I'll try a more thorough search of the maker and hopefully something will turn up that will help me to date it. I do agree with Pauls observation that the markings look more recent than WW1. I'm now leaning toward closer to WW2.

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I don't know anything about the watch, but is the box contemporary with it? The reason I ask that the insert that the watch fits into the box with looks like white plastic in the photos. If it is plastic then wouldn't that make it post WW2?

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Another user of the Government Property Mark broad arrow was the General Post Office (GPO) Regards, Paul.
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I have just found an identical one on sale which is described as WW2 RAF.
The seller does not expand on the reasoning but it is a very sensible idea when one thinks of the Navigation aspect. Hopefully the link below will work.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ex...-Gqqx7cJedDcM:
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I have just found an identical one on sale which is described as WW2 RAF.
The seller does not expand on the reasoning but it is a very sensible idea when one thinks of the Navigation aspect. Hopefully the link below will work.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ex...-Gqqx7cJedDcM:
Thanks James - that pretty much nails it!

Thanks for all the replies, guys!

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I was going to suggest Naval for timing Torpedo's but obviously not.
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Don't think its RAF.
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I think a lot of things may have been marked AM for WWII, someone may have a better idea
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Its crown seems different from military issue timepieces I'm familiar with, they all seem to have a ball shaped crown.

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Hi all

I've been offered this stopwatch, but as I know next to nothing about these, I was hoping maybe someone here could shed some light

From what the seller tells me it's in fully working order, and he thinks from WW1-era.
It has the WD arrow and the inscription TP to the rear, along with a 1/10 mark, which I'm assuming means it measures to a 10th of a second?
The maker is Excelsior Parks, which from what I can gather is considered a very good maker. The box is not original.

My questions are; is there any way to determine the era it was manufactured (WW1/WW2) and what would be a reasonable price to pay?
He's asking £30.

Any information greatly appreciated!

Cheers

Colin
TP could stand for Time Piece, as ATP is Army Time Piece ie watch.

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Old 26-09-17, 11:12 PM
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TP is generally accepted as signifying trade pattern, see here:
http://ihc185.infopop.cc/eve/forums/...4/m/8761037033
General information:
http://www.royalsignals.org.uk/photos/watch.htm

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