KC ASC collar badges

[GTB]

Originally Posted by fougasse1940

Not shown here, as I still have to source one, is the 1911-1916 equivalent collar badge with raised crown, 'broad' monogram, correct garter and six rows of three leaves (Kellock & McHenry 2-26).

Rgds, Thomas.

Thomas,

Please note that my collar has six rows of two leaves, and therefore is a different version to the above.

GTB

[fougasse1940]

Originally Posted by 2747andy

Thomas,
I believe this to be an error on the part of K&K? I strongly believe there were only the two patterns of ORs "ASC" Cap Stars, KK987 which then transitioned to KK990? Although the later having a considerable amount of die and makers variations. I've yet to see an ORs badge in the style of KK988! Three if you count the EI pattern too.

Andy

K&K 988 OR two piece is shown as 2-16 in Kellock & McHenry. Not shown in K&K is the raised crown version, neither as officers nor as OR's, which is shown in the MHS article as plate II No. 6 and described as two piece, so I believe there are five OR patterns including EI.
Question remains why the raised and lowered crown thin monogram two piece OR badges are so thin on the ground?

Rgds, Thomas.

[fougasse1940]

Originally Posted by GTB

Thomas,

Please note that my collar has six rows of two leaves, and therefore is a different version to the above.

GTB

You are correct, well spotted. Interestingly, it does have the wider monogram but with a raised crown, so a fourth variation???

Rgds, Thomas.

[2747andy]

Originally Posted by fougasse1940

K&K 988 OR two piece is shown as 2-16 in Kellock & McHenry. Not shown in K&K is the raised crown version, neither as officers nor as OR's, which is shown in the MHS article as plate II No. 6 and described as two piece, so I believe there are five OR patterns including EI.
Question remains why the raised and lowered crown thin monogram two piece OR badges are so thin on the ground?

Rgds, Thomas.

Thomas,
I have examples of all the badges you refer to, and they are almost certainly officer badges, the OR's being of single part construction

Andy

[GTB]

Originally Posted by fougasse1940

You are correct, well spotted. Interestingly, it does have the wider monogram but with a raised crown, so a fourth variation???

Rgds, Thomas.

Thomas

I wouldn't know about number of variations, however it does raise a question as it doesn't seem to fit! For one thing, it is solid, 1-piece.

I am attaching a small representation of ASC cap badges and the cb at the end for comparison/analysis.
Badge 1: 1911-15, 2-piece, bronze, loops. Rear tablet 'FIRMIN LONDON'
Badge 2: OSD bz, 14 leaves, one-piece, loops. Impressed 'J.R. Gaunt. London'.
Badge 3: As preceding but 13 leaves, gm, mint, loops.
Badge 4: As badge 3 but 14 leaves, variation, slider
Badge 5: 1916 Economy, 14 leaves, non-voided, slider. Badge actually appears to be brass not gm; uncleaned
Collar badge: Bronze, loops

Comments welcome

GTB

[fougasse1940]

Andy Have you seen this one? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-2...item58c8eb1bf3

Rgds, Thomas.

[2747andy]

Originally Posted by fougasse1940

Andy Have you seen this one? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-2...item58c8eb1bf3

Rgds, Thomas.

Thomas,
Yes I have a similar example, it is an OSD collar badge and not a cap badge badge as the listing sugested!

Best Regards

Andy

[GTB]

Originally Posted by 2747andy

Thomas,
Yes I have a similar example, it is an OSD collar badge and not a cap badge badge as the listing sugested!

Best Regards

Andy

Andy,

Wouldn't 45mm be cap badge size?

GTB

[2747andy]

GTB,
the early OSD collar badges were identical in shape size and pattern to the cap badges, only the fixings differed!

Andy