Unknown Shamrock and Stringed Bugle badges

[Nozzer]

Hello,

I was given a quantity of badges at the weekend, but these two have me stumped

Any help will be gratefully received,

Andy

[Wmr-RHB]

The stringed bugle with 83 is to the 83rd Wallajahabad Light Infantry (Indian Army 1903-1922).

[manchesters]

Andy,

83rd Wallajahbad Light Infantry, possibly a collar, hard to tell.

Shamrock looks like Girl Guides.

regards

[Nozzer]

Thanks for that

The 83rd badge is about 3cm across Simon (note the measure).

All the images of shamrocks worn by Girl Guides that I could find had either a star, GG or a combination of both on them. Still, I am no expert........

Regards,

Andy

[Phil2M]

It doesn't look like Girl Guides to me. It could be one of the many Irish bands?

[ebro]

Did the Irish Guards not wear a collar like this?
Eddie

[John Mulcahy]

This Shamrock design is generally held to be sealed pattern 5134/1901 worn only on the Scarlet Frock when abroad. It is sometimes called collar badge for foreign service. It was sealed 21/05/1901 [WO359/11 p79].

I reference it as such in my own collection but have yet to see a sealed pattern card or photograph to provide hard proof. In use essentially for only the "Boer War" by the IG mounted infantry contingent.

John

[mule-73k]

I believe that the shamrock may be a South African Irish Collar badge. I think that the London Irish wore something similar to at one stage.

Regards,

Dave

[John Mulcahy]

Originally Posted by mule-73k

I believe that the shamrock may be a South African Irish Collar badge. I think that the London Irish wore something similar to at one stage.

Regards,

Dave

Dave

I have never seen this shamrock design attributed to the S.A. Irish. The attached article from Kommando Magazine Dec 1967 may be of interest. I am not suggesting that it is definitive but badge 5 is the only shamrock design collar badge I have seen attributed to the S.A. Irish.

Likewise I have never seen it attributed to the London Irish - only the style of shamrock represented by badge 5 in the attachment.

I would be happy to learn otherwise.

kind regards

John

[mule-73k]

John,

I believe you are right! I had it in my head S.A. Irish. What do you think is it closer to the NSW Irish Rifles?

[kingsley]

I would incline to pre-1901 8th Regiment NSW Irish rifles. They had the badge with the number 8, probably worn on an epaulette, and a shamrock as a collar badge, I think worn in brass, WM and oxidised.

[John Mulcahy]

Originally Posted by kingsley

I would incline to pre-1901 8th Regiment NSW Irish rifles. They had the badge with the number 8, probably worn on an epaulette, and a shamrock as a collar badge, I think worn in brass, WM and oxidised.

I know little of this units insignia but can see why you make this inclination - according to the Australian War Memorial pages and an article in The Armourer Magazine the NSW Irish Rifles used a different design as a collar badge after c 1900

http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/REL30349.003/

http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/REL30349.002/

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-...rish_rifle.htm

This last article claims that the earlier collars were white metal shamrocks.
sincerely

John

[John Mulcahy]

Not that it is wholly definitive I should also add the image below photographed from the IG regimental insignia display at the Guards Museum ?(do not know if it is still there).

I should contact Gary Gibbs for some follow up.

[Nozzer]

Thank you all

Andy

[mule-73k]

I think that John has hit the nail on the head in I.D.ing it with the Irish Guards!

I was not aware that the Guards wore this badge, so something new learned!

Thanks John, another item to add to the wants list............:roll eyes:

Dave