36TH ULSTER

[ebro]

Simon,
This badge was not manufactured for the army. It was produced in large numbers in a very short time by a local jewellers.
It was carried into army use when Carson's UVF formed the bulk of the 36th Ulster Div. in Kitchener's new army.
I would imagine Sharman D Neill probably sub contracted a lot of it's production, therefore there may well be some makers variations in the quality.
Eddie

[Noodles]

I thought the die flaw was in the N/E corner ?? Like the one below.

Or is there more than one rim flaw ?

[1stTankie]

Originally Posted by LONGSHANKS

Hi all. I wanted to ask if anyone knew what the flaws are on this badge as regards the later re-strikes. I read on the multiple threads on this one of a flaw on the edge/rim. And if anyone who like to comment in general on this one.

Thanks

Simon.

Hi Simon

I'm not sure if it helps but here is mine. I've always believed it to be right but am old enough now to accept an adverse comment or two!

Best wishes

Gordon

[billy]

Hi gordon looks a lot crisper and nicer than mine! cheers billy

[mtrpltpara]

Hello all, i believe the dies for this badge passed into other hands and badges were re-struck, as the dies wore, the name Sharman D Neill also became less sharp. Its a difficult one to judge, i have a space filler which has the flaw on the rim.
Regards,
Bill.
ps Simon, the flaw is to the front rim, NE.

[wright241]

fyi,
Heres the back of mine highlighting the rear and name.
David

[Neil Pearce]

David

looks good to me. reminds me of a picture of the great barrier reef as well!

[Paddy]

Noodles

The picture you have shown is actually a picture of the badge in my collection. It was passed on to me when my uncle passed away, it had been passed on to him when his father in law passed away. It was the badge that he was issued with when he was in the 36th Ulster Div and it came with his (numbered) UVF badge as he was in Carson's UVF prior to going into the 36th. Of all the badges shown on this post I think I can safely say that this badge is the only one with as near cast iron provenance as you can get.

When the badge was passed on to me it had a brooch fastening soldered on to the back and I had it re-lugged by Warren Butcher about 12 years ago (long before I knew that Dave did repairs) which explains the modern lugs and oxidisation around them. There is no die flaw on the badge, it is damage, and it is in the Westerly position whereas the die flaw on fakes is on the NE rim as stated (when viewed from the front).

Paddy (residing in England but originally from God's chosen country)

[ebro]

Paddy,
Your UVF badge, Co Tyrone, is like my grandfather's badge, it is badly trimmed and the stud is at an angle. This was the reason I suspected quantity rather than quality was the order of the day in 1913/14.
I have come across many copies of both badges that just don't compare with the originals.
Eddie

[Noodles]

Hi Paddy,
When Longshanks posted the back of his badge pointing out a flaw on the left corner of the back, i thought the flaw everyone was talking about was NE and
had seen your badge in a previous thread and thought it was that, because i didn't know the flaw was on the front.
Apologies for any mix up.

I still don't know what flaw everyone is talking about as none of the badges shown seem to have it. Does this mean all the badges in this thread are okay ?

Noodles.

[ebro]

Noodles,
I was thinking the same thing. Tnere is not one of the badges shown that I would not be happy with.
Eddie

[LONGSHANKS]

Well Gent's it arrived. Looking forward to your comments.

Simon.

[LONGSHANKS]

I take it OK then

[LONGSHANKS]

No takers, then confirmed. Ok

[mule-73k]

Simon,

Just saw the badge, and from the pics you posted it looks good to me! I like the back and the crispness of the makers stamping.

Just my option.

Regards,

Dave