Brexit

[BWEF]

Originally Posted by FMT600

Whilst I'm sorry to hear that you are in ill health may I say that in my part of the country (East Yorkshire) where there was a strong turn out for the leave camp my boy who has just turned 18 voted to get out as all did bar one of his class mates, so whilst I have previously acknowledged that I respect your personal opinion please don't put all young people into the same in camp category when quite obviously they were not, I suppose it depends on where they come from and where they are living a life of milk and honey in an affluent part of the country with a future or currently don't have to much to look forwards in an area ( Hull and East Yorkshire for example) where many of the jobs have been taken by our Polish cousins not leaving a lot for the youngsters.

FMT600

FMT600

Of course I don't put all young people in the same box. Polls seem to say that between 20 and 30% of the 18 to 24 age group voted to leave. No doubt, given the circumstances you quote, they would be concentrated in your region, rather than London or Scotland.

On the other hand, I and most of my also elderly friends, voted to stay so we are all able to have an opinion despite pollsters. As I have said elsewhere, a lot of this "everybody thinks what I think" is probably because you are the sort of political bore people avoid at a party.

My own opinion is that Europe is not perfect, far from it, but the thing to do was to work to change it. Instead too much of England spent over 40 years whining and complaining about bent carrots and wine lakes instead of getting in there 100% and shaping Europe to our taste.

Imagine this forum if, instead of discussing badges, and trying to answer other peoples queries, people spent all their time slagging off the poor quality of the photos and pointing out how stupid somebody was for laying out good money on that pile of tat?

[BWEF]

Originally Posted by Jibba Jabba

Sorry but I am not interested in the BBC. Selective reporting is a dishonest practice.

I hear right wing people attack the BBC as much as I hear left wing people attack the BBC.

In one case because it is not Fox News and the other because it is not Socialist Worker.

To my mind this illustrates that the BBC is somewhere in the middle.

[ubervamp]

Originally Posted by BWEF

Of course I don't put all young people in the same box. Polls seem to say that between 20 and 30% of the 18 to 24 age group voted to leave. No doubt, given the circumstances you quote, they would be concentrated in your region, rather than London or Scotland.

On the other hand, I and most of my also elderly friends, voted to stay so we are all able to have an opinion despite pollsters. As I have said elsewhere, a lot of this "everybody thinks what I think" is probably because you are the sort of political bore people avoid at a party.

My own opinion is that Europe is not perfect, far from it, but the thing to do was to work to change it. Instead too much of England spent over 40 years whining and complaining about bent carrots and wine lakes instead of getting in there 100% and shaping Europe to our taste.

Imagine this forum if, instead of discussing badges, and trying to answer other peoples queries, people spent all their time slagging off the poor quality of the photos and pointing out how stupid somebody was for laying out good money on that pile of tat?

According to yougov, 75 % of voters under 24 voted to stay.

[REMEVMBEA1]

Originally Posted by BWEF

Have you not done enough to them and to their future? Look at the % of the young voters who voted to stay in Europe. What was it? Getting on for 80% wanted to stay in the EU?

In fact, the majority of people under the age of 50 voted to stay in Europe.

It was the 50 to 65 group and above all, the 65 plus group who voted to leave.

How many of the OAPs will be around to suffer the consequences that the young will suffer?

Not wanting to argue but what evidence do you have for how many of what group voted how? It was a secret ballot.

[BWEF]

Originally Posted by ubervamp

According to yougov, 75 % of voters under 24 voted to stay.

Which is why there have been these demonstrations all over the country:

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/its-ou...esult-5965560/

I wonder what the referendum result would have been if the 16 and 17 year olds had been allowed to vote, as they were in the Scottish referendum?

Or should that read 1st Scottish referendum?

[Frank Kelley]

It is very interesting that there seem to have been two distinct groups of leave voters, those who support BJ and those who support NF, I suspect one group is going to be very disappointed indeed with the eventual outcome.

[BWEF]

Originally Posted by REMEVMBEA1

Not wanting to argue but what evidence do you have for how many of what group voted how? It was a secret ballot.

There are people who make a living working out how people voted.

"EU Referendum Results: Young ‘Screwed By Older Generations’ As Polls Suggest 75% Backed Remain".

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0232d331dac8f

That is from the Huffington Post. If you are not happy with that source just remember that Google is your friend - other search engines are available.

[BWEF]

Originally Posted by Frank Kelley

It is very interesting that there seem to have been two distinct groups of leave voters, those who support BJ and those who support NF, I suspect one group is going to be very disappointed indeed with the eventual outcome.

The followers of Farage will be right royally done over by the Tory Euro Sceptics.

There is just one UKIP MP, and dozens and dozens of Conservative sceptics.

[BWEF]

Interesting petition in interesting times

I can't see it happening unless things go very very wrong with the economy and the exit negotiations.

However, a week ago I would never have imagined this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7100601.html

[billy]

I have only just found this thread and read from beginning to end! 7 pages result majority of Members where "Out" and an almost argument!

Things in Europe I like Open Borders when travelling to visit my brother in Belgium being one But! I think Brussels is a waste! I voted out! How can an Island have illegal immigrants and why have we people waiting in Calais to get here after travelling across Europe are these persons not meant to have been stopped along the way?

I did not have the vote before but made sure I voted this time as did the youngsters if they so wished! And Ido feel sorry for them as an opportunity lost for them or is it? In the long term though I think we have to go! Take what comes and get Britain back on track I honestly do not think Europe will be stupid and ignore us.

Must go bus

[BWEF]

Originally Posted by ubervamp

I think FOX NEWS missed that email

Its even worse than I thought.

Fox News say we are leaving the UN

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/fox-ne...he-un-5964181/

[ubervamp]

Originally Posted by BWEF

Its even worse than I thought.

Fox News say we are leaving the UN

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/fox-ne...he-un-5964181/

I rest my case

[Charliedog012012]

When you are offered hope then you will reach out and strive to achieve
When you are denied hope you reach out and make your voice heard
When your voice is ignored then you will fight back

The above was the response of a North East Steelworker (now unemployed) when asked why there was such a large majority for LEAVE option.
MR Corbyn chooses to ignore their voice........and unlike those demonstrating in London, those in the North East are not a mouthpiece for rentamob.As one woman said, 'when you have nothing, what have you got to lose'

[bewley]

Originally Posted by BWEF

And yet, if you listened to Fridays edition of "Feedback" on BBC Radio 4 I believe that very many people are complaining about the pro Brexit bias of the media.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07glx7x

What a joke!
On Friday morning the BBC reverted to its left wing bias with a vengeance. Nearly crashed the car when some pompous professor declared it was 'victory of ignorance over education'.

[bewley]

Originally Posted by BWEF

I hear right wing people attack the BBC as much as I hear left wing people attack the BBC.

In one case because it is not Fox News and the other because it is not Socialist Worker.

To my mind this illustrates that the BBC is somewhere in the middle.

Do you really believe all the tut you have been putting on here the last few days?
Or are you just a very determined wind-up merchant?