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Hi Chaps,
I wonder what a yes on Brexit will do to the British badge collectors. Some pitfalls may be import duties for sales to and from the EU, a sharp fall of the pound sterling is also predicted. I heard the British army officials are also fearing their independence with an EU army. Will that also mean EU army badges instead of UK? I guess the UK friends are all off to vote. Cheers, JB |
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I have just voted to get out, I'm afraid import duties from the EU are the least of my concerns and as we already pay them for items from the rest of the World I can live with it Personally I'm more interested with Nationhood and what the state of the UK will be like for my offspring in a few years time rather than a few quid more in my pocket now and as for a Euro Army pure nonsense, whilst NATO exists there is no need what so ever, and secondly you can not have a functioning Army when its political masters are all pulling in different directions and ordering its own sovereign troops to operate under different restrictions to its neighbours (Afghanistan springs to mind with our German friends as one example). Cheers, FMT600 |
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Ditto. |
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The EU has stated the ultimate aim is a Federal State, so l would assume there would be no national army's in time.
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Lets see some of that money go back to the NHS and see our country rise again rather then be brought down to a lower level to help everyone else. Who may I add start off with the best intentions then over spend and we have to dig them out of a financial pit. Mean while the elderly who fort for our great nation don't get the medial help they need in latter life because were to busy looking after a bunch of free loaders who wont stay in mainland Europe as they have to pay for such medical aid. I also as an Englishman don't like being told what to do by a bunch of free loading meps I never voted for. Having spent 24 years defending freedom of speech there's my speech on the matter.............rant over.......................defiantly out!
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Case in point, the oft cited Norway. Norway has to pay such a high tariff to export fish products to the EU that it would be uneconomic to do so. So, Norway exports whole fish to Europe and that fish is turned in to ready meals, fish fingers etc. The processing jobs go not to Norwegians but to workers in places like Denmark, which is within the EU.
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Cheers, FMT600 Last edited by FMT600; 23-06-16 at 10:56 AM. |
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To put it bluntly YES I would today, tomorrow and the next 10 years in order to be able to make the UK a suitable place for my children and their children to grow up and prosper in so please don't be so short sighted, the UK has always been a trading nation and whilst the EU may huff and puff and threaten and even in the short term try to punish the UK for leaving, they aint stupid so in due course mutually beneficial trade agreements will be reached with mainland European Nations and the UK, also please don't forget there is also the rest of the world to trade with if we have goods that they want. Regards, FMT600 |
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My grandfathers generation, and my fathers generation wasted years of their lives, and many gave their lives, in war. My sons and my grandsons have not had to do so. As for trading with the rest of the world. Good luck with undercutting China, India, Brazil et al. Europe will be happy to sell us all the BMWs and champagne we can afford, but with much of our product we are being beaten on price by places like Poland, and that is even before the imposition of tariff barriers. There is a reason that Clarks Shoes and Cadbury's moved to the EU. In the event of brexit they would be followed by the international firms from the far east etc who are only here because we are in the EU, and work cheap.
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NATO kept the peace not the EEC or the later EU.
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An existing member demands soldiers from this country be placed as guard on its borders with Russia. The EU is not an organisation of peace, but rather an agitator to it. Also high profile members are free of any questioning as to why they green lit wars in the Middle East.
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I don't want a tennis match here and of course respect your views as we are all entitled to our own so I wont make further comment on the economic aspects which in all honesty no-one knows for sure what is going to happen. I will however make comment of the point of Europe and war as I think your a little confused, undoubtedly a united stand against the then Soviet Union deterred them from invading Western Europe, however to put things right that was hardly just a European affair, you may recall that as well as a vast amount of US hardware and very high troop levels there were also over 5000 Canadian troops deployed in Germany permanently, you may also recall that until 1955 West Germany had no armed forces and when these were created it took some time to build them up and France could not be relied on to toe the NATO line having opted out. More recently with the advent of the European Union and the downscaling of the NATO presence in Europe your so called United Europe failed in the Balkans as did the UN (I know I was there) resulting in NATO sorting the problems out and as for Russia and the Ukraine the EU hardly turned out to be a tiger, more like a domestic pussy that simply rolled over and allowed Russia to have its way, even though in my opinion the Crimea has always been Russian and it was an unfortunate Soviet era mistake to give it to the Ukraine and the Russians simply took back what was theirs, as for border incursions into mainland Ukraine (irrespective of Russian speakers living there), that's a different matter. Having a United Europe for the purpose of mutual defence is dead in the water unless you have a unified armed forces with a unified command and control mechanism which the EU have never had and never will, so as far as I can see your argument fails, whilst NATO does have a unified command and control mechanism plus guarantees that Nations will provide troops, but not every nation is in the EU, therefore there is no viable reason to stay in the EU to prevent a major European conflict whilst NATO exits which provides the deterrent to recent/current. I hope you find the above rational even if your not in full agreement and hopefully we can now get back to posting about badges. Kind Regards, FMT600 |
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