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Old 05-01-18, 11:52 AM
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Would I be correct in thinking this could be WW1 era?
Itís very nicely brooched and appears quite good workmanship
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Old 05-01-18, 06:41 PM
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Note the scar running down the forehead!
This is deemed to be negative?
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Old 05-01-18, 07:38 PM
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If I saw that, I think I'd probably have bought it, I don't think it is actually wrong, to go to the trouble of fitting an old pin and wire catch is not really something you would ever expect to see on complete dross.
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Old 05-01-18, 08:04 PM
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If I saw that, I think I'd probably have bought it, I don't think it is actually wrong, to go to the trouble of fitting an old pin and wire catch is not really something you would ever expect to see on complete dross.
Im glad you've posted this Frank, i felt the same way about it. I thought the bad " scar " went from ear to ear.
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Old 05-01-18, 08:05 PM
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Indeed Frank,
Here is another! This time with slider and blacked !
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Old 06-01-18, 02:35 AM
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G'day Chay

What you have here is a 17th or 17th/21st Lancers Motto, it is never referred to as a "badge". If you read what it says is "Death or Glory".

The Motto with the scar on the forehead is regarded as having been struck from an obsolete set of dies and is usually disregarded by Regimental collectors.

This Motto has had its slider cut off and the stub of the slider is still there in the back of the skull. It looks as if at some time past the Motto has been converted to a sweetheart.

I hope that this helps

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Old 06-01-18, 02:54 PM
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Interestingly, it has been and indeed is, often, referred to as a badge, by it's various manufacturers and both by the War Office and the Ministry of Defence.


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G'day Chay

What you have here is a 17th or 17th/21st Lancers Motto, it is never referred to as a "badge". If you read what it says is "Death or Glory".

The Motto with the scar on the forehead is regarded as having been struck from an obsolete set of dies and is usually disregarded by Regimental collectors.

This Motto has had its slider cut off and the stub of the slider is still there in the back of the skull. It looks as if at some time past the Motto has been converted to a sweetheart.

I hope that this helps

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Old 06-01-18, 03:13 PM
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G'day Chay

What you have here is a 17th or 17th/21st Lancers Motto, it is never referred to as a "badge". If you read what it says is "Death or Glory".

The Motto with the scar on the forehead is regarded as having been struck from an obsolete set of dies and is usually disregarded by Regimental collectors.

This Motto has had its slider cut off and the stub of the slider is still there in the back of the skull. It looks as if at some time past the Motto has been converted to a sweetheart.

I hope that this helps

Phil.
So you don't call it a Motto when its converted to a sweetheart?

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Old 07-01-18, 12:04 PM
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Hi in my opinion it is a motto whether it's a sweetheart brooch or a motto for military use
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Its a good one...... there is a safety chain loop on the top as well. Converted cap motto.... possibly used on a Pagri.... but probably used as a lapel motto with the safety chain through the button hole.
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I also have a hallmarked collar done the same way to the 17th/21st Lancers

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Old 18-01-18, 07:42 AM
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I agree, it does look as though it has some age to it, as mentioned, if I had seen it, I would have bought it.

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Its a good one...... there is a safety chain loop on the top as well. Converted cap motto.... possibly used on a Pagri.... but probably used as a lapel motto with the safety chain through the button hole.
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