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Old 14-07-17, 07:29 PM
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Hi Gents,

I just had a button arrive which I was much relieved as I had almost given up being that it took almost six weeks...!

Anyway it has a nice Irish backmark (see pic) that I have not heard of before, so thought I would share it for any thoughts or comments.

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Old 14-07-17, 07:43 PM
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Good evening Roy

I'm sure that you have already looked at

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...d.php?p=353812

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Old 14-07-17, 07:52 PM
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Hi Martyn,

Thanks for that. I must have missed it in my first search. Brain not working very well today as I have a virus so a little fuzzy...

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Old 14-07-17, 07:55 PM
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Yes there are lots of items on the web made by that maker. It's a nice clear backstamp. Looks a nice button.

Hope you are feeling better soon

Martyn
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Old 14-07-17, 09:21 PM
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Stop teasing, Roy, what does the front look like!

We did warn you that collecting buttons was contagious, now it seems that you've come down with the dreaded button virus! Hope it doesn't affect you too long.

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Hi Roger,

You're not wrong there old chap - a 'button' virus it is...

Here is the front pic - 102nd Donegal - a nice addition to my all two small Irish Militia section.

Any help with dates would be grand?

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Wow that's very nice, can't be may of them around.
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Hi Roger,

You're not wrong there old chap - a 'button' virus it is...

Here is the front pic - 102nd Donegal - a nice addition to my all two small Irish Militia section.

Any help with dates would be grand?

Cheerio,

Roy
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is dates from after the ballot of 1833 and clearly before the 1881 re-organization. Someone with more knowledge that I may be able to narrow it down further.

A little potted history of the regiment for interest..

Raised as The Prince of Wales’s Donegal Regiment of Militia in 1793 with the precedent number 36. During the 1798 rebellion, the Rgt. was in action at Forth, Co. Wexford, on 30 May, & at New Ross, Co. Wexford on June 5th. They were in action again June 12th , at Borris, Co. Carlow, & at New Ross again in June 15th. They were engaged at the major battle of Vinegar Hill on 21 June. The Regiment’s Light Company engaged the rebels on 28 June at Enniscorthy, supporting the North Cork Rgt.

Disembodied briefly after the Peace of Amiens they were subsequently embodied again on March 15, 1803 and disembodied in April 1816

The ballot of 1833 saw them titled The Prince of Wales Donegal Regiment of Militia (102nd).

Re-embodied again in 1854/ 55 as the The Prince of Wales Own Donegal Militia (102nd). They were embodied Jan 6, 1855 – Aug 4, 1856 for the Crimean War and Nov 5, 1857 – Aug 31 , 1860 during the Indian Mutiny where they formed part of the 2nd Brigade (from Dec. 3rd brigade) at Aldershot.


Thereafter 5th Battalion The Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers. Embodied for service during the Anglo Boer War, May 9, 1900 – July 3, 1901. The 5th R. Innis Fus. were disbanded on July 31st 1908.

Black facings from 1793 - 1854, then white until 1881.

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Old 15-07-17, 01:32 AM
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Thanks Gents for all your kind words and helpful information.

A great potted history there John, really appreciate you putting some meat on the bones for me, fascinating to read.

The Irish section in my Militia Button collection is very small, so this is a really wonderful addition.

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Hello Roy

A lovely button, many thanks for the photo.

I can add a little to the excellent information John has already provided.

Joe McDonnell's book illustrates this pattern of button and it is the third of four patterns shown. This may mean it was superseded by a later pattern (PoW feathers in the centre, scrolls "Donegal" and "Militia" above and below) but as Joe does not put dates to the various patterns that may not be the case.

Three interesting points out of Joe's book though.

Firstly, he describes this pattern as "silver tunic" and his illustration clearly shows a rim which yours does not have. This could mean yours is a coatee button, so pre 1855 or thereabouts.

Secondly, he lists three known backmarks for this particular pattern - "Foley & Croker Dublin", "Armin & Sons London" (I think this is an error, should be "Firmin") and "Jennens & Co London". Your button has a "Hugh Foley Dublin" backmark which is, I would suggest, earlier than "Foley & Croker Dublin".

Thirdly, he states that "in 1836 all the Militia changed to silver buttons".

Given this information and assuming your button is a coatee button, then I think the date of your particular button could be narrowed down a little to between 1836 and 1855, although the pattern was clearly used after 1855.

Obviously Joe's book is now a little out of date and so new research may have changed some of his work.

Hope you are starting to pick up a little. I know how these viruses can knock you down for quite a while. Plenty of water (with a little something else) will help.

Roger
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Hi Roger,

Thank you for that excellent analysis, makes perfect sense to me. I may have gotten there myself if my head wasn't so blurred, so my gratitude for all your detective work.

I still can't get over this one turning up on Friday, after over six weeks in the post I thought it was a goner!

All good now though..

Cheerio,

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