Tyneside Scottish

[Chipper]

Hi All,

Ok, I recently decided I have had enough time in the kiddies pool, and decided to jump into the big pool.

So, I researched, studied and sweated - then bought a random Tyneside Scottish badge on-line.

The reasons I think this badge is OK:
1) The portal is half open
2) There are voids between the thistles and the cross
3) The lion (and the badge generally) conforms to examples I have noted on the forum.

I also think it is circa WW1 issue, 3rd Pattern, as it is pin-back and the lion has 2 feet on the tower.

Would love some feedback as to whether my newfound ability should be celebrated, or put back in the box for a while yet...

Cheers, Tim

PS, if, per chance, the seller happens to be a member here, I am simply ensuring my radar is on track, as this was clearly the best example (without looking at the usual dealers) I found.

[Phil2M]

Looks nice to me, has a steel pin like all the original examples I have seen No dalek arms or ferret face either

[wardog]

Looks fine. Safer bet than a leg raised one. If there are copies made with a pin fitting I've yet to see one. Regards, Paul.

[Nozzer]

I like it It is the same as one that I picked up recently.

Andy

[ricardo]

Nice badge tim

2nd pattern feb 1915, 100% genuine, re portcullis (portal)

the badge can be found with the portcullis half open and closed!

just different manufacturers, kind regards ricardo

[ubervamp]

Tim

Very nice, original example of the 2nd pattern!
It's the same as mine.
(I've given it a light clean since taking the pics )
Cheers

Colin

[Chipper]

many thanks to all of you, must say I'm quite pleased I didn't fall for some obvious mistake!

One followup question:

I was under the impression this was the 3rd Pattern: #1 being the rare round badge, #2 the badge where the castle is inside the cross, and #3 as above, where the tower is larger.

No??

PS, good to 'see' you Colin, haven't seen you about for a while.

[Alan O]

4 Patterns

1914 circular
1915 pin backed full sized lion with 2 feet on tower
1916 one raised foot version
1918 demi- lion

However the design was re-used in WW2 and it is unclear which version or versions were used with lugs.

Today the 3rd version is still in use in metal. Not sure whether they are issued or PRI purchase?

[Chipper]

Great info, Thanks Alan

Cheers, Tim

[Alan O]

The dates are based on other's recording of silver hallmarks on officers' badges. The ORs may well have worn badges in different years but it's a good guide.

Alan

[ubervamp]

Originally Posted by Chipper

many thanks to all of you, must say I'm quite pleased I didn't fall for some obvious mistake!

One followup question:

I was under the impression this was the 3rd Pattern: #1 being the rare round badge, #2 the badge where the castle is inside the cross, and #3 as above, where the tower is larger.

No??

PS, good to 'see' you Colin, haven't seen you about for a while.

Hi Tim

This album of Simon's (Longshanks) shows good examples of the first three patterns (and some very nice other badges, too )

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...p?albumid=1402

Been bogged down with work lately, so looking forward to re-immersing myself in the wonderful world of collecting

[Chipper]

Cheers Mate. I actually often go to Simon's albums to study what to look for.

Don't work too hard, we need you here.

à bientot!

Cheers, Tim

[Graham Stewart]

Originally Posted by Alan O

4 Patterns

1914 circular
1915 pin backed full sized lion with 2 feet on tower
1916 one raised foot version
1918 demi- lion

However the design was re-used in WW2 and it is unclear which version or versions were used with lugs.

Today the 3rd version is still in use in metal. Not sure whether they are issued or PRI purchase?

The first indication of a badge being designed for the TS came in early October 1914, after the approval of the wearing of the glengarry by the War Office. Major Innes-Hopkins suggested a bronze badge to be wore, but the TS Committee decided to leave it in the hands of the sub-Committee, as was the question of the armlet, to be worn with civilian clothes, with which we are familiar.

By the beginning of November 1914 Innes-Hopkins had produced a design, which was presented to the Committee, who asked for a further design to be produced, but deciding that Officers badges would be in silver. The two letter 'T.S.' shoulder title was approved at this time.

A short time later Innes-Hopkins submitted the second design, which was approved, but had to include the addition of regimental motto "Quo Fata Vocant" and so the first pattern circular badge was born.