51 Regiment buckle - British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

Tweed · #1 13-10-17, 03:07 PM

Good afternoon Gentlemen,
I just received this silver belt buckle and wondered if all is good
Kind regards Chay

Tweed · #2 13-10-17, 03:08 PM

Markings

Tweed · #3 13-10-17, 03:09 PM

J & Co

stenoyab · #4 13-10-17, 04:56 PM

When worn by the regiment they wouldn't have been silvered, this has been silvered later, I'm not sure if this was done for part of a display or perhaps for use by one of the militia battalions. I have seen other examples of silvered 51's so its not unique, some with better silvering than others. Oddly I've also seen 43rd wbc's also silvered.

I do suspect that some of the 51st wbc's (of a slightly different pattern) were worn by the regiment post 1881, with the "51st" removed, as I have recorded a half dozen examples, but these were not silvered.

I've a non silvered example of your wbc on my web page,

http://jeffreyhayes.com/wbc/2017/05/...hire-regiment/

The maker on yours is J & co.

Tweed · #5 13-10-17, 05:20 PM

Thank you,
There was some dirt on the surface which I just remove easily, and looking closely it is indeed silvered over brass!
Kind regards Chay

Tweed · #6 13-10-17, 05:32 PM

I have a few KOYLI badges, this is a part of my collection
Kind regards Chay

grenadierguardsman · #7 13-10-17, 07:14 PM

Nice collection. They are lockets union and very nice, are they by Jennens & Co ?
Andy

Tweed · #8 13-10-17, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by grenadierguardsman

Nice collection. They are lockets union and very nice, are they by Jennens & Co ?
Andy

Thank you Andy,
Yes I believe it is indeed made by Jennings !
It is heavily silver plated but over time there are areas where it has been rubbed off but not much!
Kind regards Chay

KLR · #9 14-10-17, 04:53 PM

Jennens !
Well known for the quality of their products.
Founded in 1800, after serious losses they were bought by Gaunt in 1925

As far as their cap and collar badges (from the 1890s) go - they only made officer's badges ! Did they ever make OR items ??????
Is your buckle an officer's or OR item ? Perhaps the silvering is a clue !

Their archives survive within the Gaunt archives in London and in Birmingham - it might be worthwhile looking through the material.

Tweed · #10 14-10-17, 05:27 PM

Excellent!
Thank you for that information, I will proceed with it and also I will speak to the curator at the museum in Doncaster as well!
Kind regards Chay

stenoyab · #11 14-10-17, 07:44 PM

Its a silvered officers, OR's was an all brass buckle with plain ends with 51 in centre pre 1871 (see my web page for an example). After 1871 it was replaced by the Dieu Et Mod Droit universal buckle.

Tweed · #12 15-12-17, 01:14 PM

Gentlemen
I found this today and couldn’t refuse it, an interesting display !
Kind regards Chay

Tweed · #13 21-12-17, 12:36 PM

It’s arrived and I’m very pleased it was intact!
Here are some photos of the badges and belt buckle.
Kind regards Chay