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Old 21-04-17, 07:56 PM
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Default Subedar Major Partab Chand MC., 59th Scinde Rifles,

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Old 21-04-17, 10:11 PM
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Requested expert opinion please.
About when did a badge turn up on Native / IO / VCO and OR headgear ?
< 1903 never / sometimes ?

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Old 26-04-17, 08:09 AM
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Thanks, another great image of an interesting personality. Partap Chand exploits are mentioned in Sowars and Sepoys in the Great War ( Nath) , an outstanding VCO who took command of the 59th when all BO's had been killed or wounded in France.
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Old 26-04-17, 08:24 AM
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Headdress badges were worn by most ranks of the Presidency armies until the end of the Sepoy Revolt of 1857-59. Thereafter when the Europen style dress shako was abandoned for the more practical local turban, wearing a badge became impractical, except in some regiments which continued to wear them. Soldiers from Punjabi and Frontier Force Regiments rarely wore headdress badges until much later. It became mandatory for all ranks to wear cap badges with the introduction of the beret in the IA around beginning years of WW2. Earlier No hard and fast rule applied some regts wore them and some did not.
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Thanks Piffer for tthe clear explanation.
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The regiment is Scinde Rifles..not Scindia..the latter is the name of the Gwalior royal family
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The regiment is Scinde Rifles..not Scindia..the latter is the name of the Gwalior royal family
Duly noted,correction done.
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Piffer is spot on. By WWI, some units were wearing pagri badges and most wore shoulder titles, but there is no hard and fast rules. As he says, some regiments seem never to have worn them and while British officers usually wore cpas, collars and shoulder titles, the photos of rankers and VCOs show far fewer of all of those in practice, whatever the rules may or may not have said.
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Thank you Peter.
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