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Old 16-07-11, 11:54 AM
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Default Irish Rifles badge help please

Hi Guys
I picked up this badge this morning and I know it's a little worn but I think it's a good badge and would welcome opinion. The slider has a bent over fixing and I wonder if this could help to identify the period the badge may be from.
Any opinions or advice would be very much welcom.

Thanks

Rob
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Old 16-07-11, 02:01 PM
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Hi Rob think you,ll find that its 1st W.W. they usually had a slider of this type, enclosed is a photo of mine slider not in view but same as your own the badge is smaller than later versions, will attach both sets of pictures see you!
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Old 16-07-11, 02:25 PM
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Hi Billy
That's great news with it being WW1 as I am trying to build a small collection from that period. Thanks for your pictures they were very helpful.

Cheers

Rob
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Old 16-07-11, 07:30 PM
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I have not come across any information that allows one to date the R.I. Rifles badge with this doubled over slider or who manufactured it.

I personally would be very happy to use this as an example of a WW1 Royal Irish Rifles Badge.

This is the 1913 pattern badge and I think it is fair to state that these doubled over sliders appear to be an early feature. This badge was superceeded by the 1954 pattern St Edward's crown.

The Loyal Reigiment 1902 pattern badge uses a similiar slider.


John
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Old 16-07-11, 08:14 PM
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I have not come across any information that allows one to date the R.I. Rifles badge with this doubled over slider or who manufactured it.

I personally would be very happy to use this as an example of a WW1 Royal Irish Rifles Badge.

This is the 1913 pattern badge and I think it is fair to state that these doubled over sliders appear to be an early feature. This badge was superceeded by the 1954 pattern St Edward's crown.

The Loyal Reigiment 1902 pattern badge uses a similiar slider.


John
The style of slider is commonly called a "Hair Pin" slider, although I would not pidgeon hole it as being WW1.. As already mentioned it is a common feature on RIR and N.Lancs badges but does, less regularly appear on other badges, it also featured on the pre-1913 blackened brass RIR. Shown below are a BB RIR with HP slider and also an early E.Surrey with what I think is a Lambourne slider, however the sweatholes are not a feature normally associated with Lambourne? The fourth image shown is a "Marked" Lambourne HP slider and a F.N. offering with a standard style slider (the wider necked F.N. style) and the 6th a Cose Up of the Lambourne HP slider..

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Old 16-07-11, 09:02 PM
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although I would not pidgeon hole it as being WW1.. Andy
I agree Andy, it was clearly used prior to 1914 and probably used after.

The point I was trying to make to Rob is that it is as good a candidate as any of the non-maker marked 1913 pattern badges to be contemporary to the 1914-18 period. A goal he appears to be trying to achieve.

Thanks for posting this nice variety of examples.

John
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Old 17-07-11, 09:57 AM
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Hi Guys
Thanks to you all for your information, as usual everyone is very kind with taking time to post and it's great to have you guys to ask.

Cheers


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