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#1
05-08-11, 10:22 PM
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RRF 1960's DZ flash...Concrete proof of fakery.
Imagination running wild here.
PARACHUTE REGIMENT DROP ZONE DZ PATCH 1960s 16 PARACHUTE BDE AIRBORNE RRF DROP ZONE PATCH FELT ARM PATCH VERY RARE Firstly RRF was NEVER in 16 Parachute Brigade. Secondly Felt DZ flashes were not made nor worn. The First Battalion / 1RRF was the TALO Bn in 5 Airborne Brigade from 1988-1991. All ranks wore the DZ flash. Elements of the Recce and Signals Platoons passed P-Company and Jump Course and Participated in Airborne Spearhead exercises. The QM produced 2 different DZ flashes for the Bn. Both slightly different Cloth, one was bigger and more orange than yellow. This was replaced by the standard sized DZ flash. Felt Flashes were not made for or worn by anyone in the Bn. So no, he's not just getting the dates wrong, by 20 odd years. He's sold quite a few of these now, all with his tell tale remnants of stitching like they've been removed from the smock. These are pure fantasy items. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PARACHUTE-...item519a56dd91 Last edited by tynesideirish; 05-08-11 at 10:31 PM. 
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#2
05-08-11, 11:03 PM
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RRF DZ Flashes
RRF DZ Flashes - Printed and woven with merrowed edges.
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#4
06-08-11, 07:48 AM
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60' RRF ?
I've seen several spurious 1960's RRF items on ebay. Don't these idiots realize that the regiment only came into existance in 1968. Add to this that most of the Fusilier Brigade was overseas at the time.
Then upon returning to U.K. found themselves on the streets of Northern Ireland (or in intense training to be deployed there) I've even seen WWII Royal Regiment of Fusilier shoulder titles described as 'genuine'. It pays to buy a few history books along with the badges.
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#5
06-08-11, 07:55 AM
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Drop Zone Flashes
I believe that the RRF "DZ" Flashes in post #2 date from 1988 - 91 and were designed to be worn on dpm combat smocks when, as described by tynesideirish, 1 RRF were the Infantry Battalion in 5 Airborne Brigade. Flashes were also used by 2 Queen’s/2 PWRR (1991-1993) and later by 1 R IRISH and 1 A and SH (5 SCOTS) when in 16 Air Assault Brigade.
Tim
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#6
06-08-11, 11:19 AM
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RRF Flashes
I've been following the exploits of my old regiment since my discharge in 1969 (naturally)
I have therefore seen pictures of the RRF "DZ" flash many times. One thing I an blooming certain of is, they weren't worn in the sixties. (or even thought about) Same as The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers in WWII. (with or without shoulder titles) Why people bother about all the trash that's on eBay baffles me. If people can't tell the differance between a geniune item and a reproduction/fake they need to find a new hobby. Saying that we've all been caught out by the fakers now and again (I presume)...........Ya can't win 'em all
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#7
06-08-11, 11:29 AM
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felt patch
After getting hot under the collar about this item I have looked at the original eBay item and I reckon it looks like a Middlesex Regiment cap badge backing.
I once saw similar being worn on a Remembrance Day parade. It was probably removed from an old unused Middlesex Regiment beret. Thus worth having.
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#8
06-08-11, 01:53 PM
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post-821-1197316425.jpg post-3617-1218558388.jpeg
TI - thanks for the info regarding that and here are a couple of real ones from the RRF and a photo illustrating the helmet patch. Agree with Bill that the patch is more than likely Middlesex Regt capbadge backing and a 'must' have for Middlesex/Queens Regt collectors, so E.bay does have it's uses afterall.
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#9
06-08-11, 02:12 PM
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Is this what you are referring to (post #21 - image #4) ? http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ing#post112483 Regards, Peter Last edited by Peter J; 06-08-11 at 02:21 PM.
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06-08-11, 02:26 PM
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06-08-11, 02:29 PM
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Cap Badge backings
Yea. I think the Lincolnshires cap was adorned with a similar badge backing in blue and red.
Now what Para DZ badge can we flog that as?
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#12
06-08-11, 03:52 PM
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Or to have served with the RRF in Cyprus!!! If I remember correctly the Middlesex backing was worn in a 'diamond' position and not square
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#13
06-08-11, 05:10 PM
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1960's DZ flash...
Please find attached images of a DPM smock, as issued for airborne use (note crutch flap) which has a large 'old gold & maroon' DZ patch.
I cannot date it as the internal label has been washed to oblivion. Another of the otherwise useless bits of kit from the loft, kept for such a purpose as this. Regards, Stephen.
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#14
06-08-11, 06:23 PM
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post-3617-1218559668.jpg post-3617-1218559766.jpg post-3617-1218559825.jpg These attached illustrations from the RRF posts of the GMIC Forum.
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#15
06-08-11, 07:21 PM
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It is a standard smock combat dpm - some early versions had the crutch flap inside which usually was removed by the owner. Tim
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"Manui dat cognitio vires - Knowledge gives strength to the arm" "Better to know it but not need it than to need it and not know it!" "Have more than thou showest, speak less than thou knowest." Last edited by grey_green_acorn; 07-08-11 at 06:38 PM. Reason: correction on orientation
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