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Old 09-09-16, 08:07 PM
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Just my opinion, but i'm not too keen on the scroll ends or the feet of the lugs.
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I can see what you mean thanks Andy - have these been copied? cheers Dean
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I hope you didn't do anything to hasty with your badge Dean? I know how keen some members are with a hammer
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Old 08-01-18, 07:07 PM
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Is it the considered opinion on the forum that only the badges with the die flaw to the letter D are genuine ? I refer to the badges with the upper scroll.
Here are mine. One of which does not have the flaw. Also pictured my small size FS cap badges for the 1st and 4th VB's.
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Old 08-01-18, 07:52 PM
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My 3VB has the die flaw you mention.

I picked this one up a while back which would seem to be silver plated. Looks very similar to yours, although I have had it in the "pending" box since getting it.

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Old 08-01-18, 08:10 PM
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The badges shown in post 1 of this thread had this flaw. Also one pictured in JD Sainsbury's book on the Herts Regt has it.

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Old 08-01-18, 10:59 PM
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My 3VB has the die flaw you mention.

I picked this one up a while back which would seem to be silver plated. Looks very similar to yours, although I have had it in the "pending" box since getting it.
Nozzer. I meant the die flaw in the first letter D in Bedfordshire. Present in my 1st VB but not my 3rd.

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Hi Graham,

I think I may have confused the issue somewhat, sorry.

As can be seen from the image below, I meant my w/m 3VB has the die flaw similar to my 1st Herts VB, but the plated 3VB I have shown in post #21 does not.

Gaylor shows a 3VB which does not have the die flaw.

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Old 09-01-18, 07:34 PM
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Hi Graham,

I think I may have confused the issue somewhat, sorry.

As can be seen from the image below, I meant my w/m 3VB has the die flaw similar to my 1st Herts VB, but the plated 3VB I have shown in post #21 does not.

Gaylor shows a 3VB which does not have the die flaw.

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The right image, IMO the Garter strap lettering is all over the shop.
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Old 10-01-18, 08:07 PM
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Andy, as an old "Bedfordshire Clanger" I've taken a great interest in this regiment over the years. The 3rd.(Militia) Bn. Wore the regular pattern bi-metal cap badge, though I have heard of a reversed metals badge but seeing is believing. The 4th. (Herts. Militia) Bn. wore the regular pattern but with "Hertfordshire" in place of "Bedfordshire" on the title scroll, a rare badge. 5th. Bn. (TF). wore the regular pattern but all in white metal like the one you show. I have seen all four of the VBs with attached upper scrolls in a private collection that was apparently started before WW1. If I was still collecting I'd seriously covet the small badge you have there!!.
I know this is an old post but I am interested to learn is there any evidence to support that the 5th Battalion wore an all w/m badge. If they did, from 1908 through ww1 until adopting the Bedfs & Herts badge in the early 20's you would think there would be more w/m slidered badges about.

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Old 10-01-18, 08:11 PM
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I can't comment on the badge in question but many TF wore badges in some orders of dress in 1908 that ceased to be worn in 1914. This was often the case for walking out dress which ceased to be worn in 1914. Also very few TF badges designs were authorised for issue after 1916 when the WD took over issue of badges from the TF Associations.

So to summarise the 5th Bn may well have worn the standard bi-metal in khaki and only worn all w/m in walking out dress 1908-14.


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Old 10-01-18, 09:04 PM
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I can't comment on the badge in question but many TF wore badges in some orders of dress in 1908 that ceased to be worn in 1914. This was often the case for walking out dress which ceased to be worn in 1914. Also very few TF badges designs were authorised for issue after 1916 when the WD took over issue of badges from the TF Associations.

So to summarise the 5th Bn may well have worn the standard bi-metal in khaki and only worn all w/m in walking out dress 1908-14.


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Thank you Alan.
That brings me on to my next question. I am wondering about the red felt backing on this badge. I have never come across any reference to it.
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I know this is an old post but I am interested to learn is there any evidence to support that the 5th Battalion wore an all w/m badge. If they did, from 1908 through ww1 until adopting the Bedfs & Herts badge in the early 20's you would think there would be more w/m slidered badges about.

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Graham, as I mentioned on the forum a while back, I go by the word of two old 5th Bedfords Gallipoli veterans who I got chatting to in Bedford in about 1980. They both told me they had only ever worn the wm badge throughout their service. Also you mention slidered wm badges, but as the TF made their own arrangements in that respect before 1916, they may have had a preference for lugged cap badges. They appear, after all, to have been a law unto themselves, so I think the slider/lugs argument, as far as the pre-1916 TF goes, is not set in stone.
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Thanks. Makes sense,

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