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18-10-16, 05:02 AM
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New Zealand coastal garrison artillery patches?
hi guys
found these locally today and was told they were pre WW1 New Zealand coastal garrison artillery patches. could anyone please confirm this and let me know what they were issued for. love the makers paper label to the rear. i do intend to sell or trade these once i have ID them thanks in advance bc 
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18-10-16, 05:35 AM
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Hi bc, your informant is no doubt correct as Cliff Lord and Malcolm Thomas have identified the 1st in wreath as being a 1st Class Battery prize for NZ Forces.
G in wreath is a 3rd Class gunnery prize badge, the crossed guns with star are generally for a 2nd Prize battery for battery competition, the L with wreath is a gun layer. I assume the grenade in wreath is an engineer proficiency badge, possibly for submarine miners. I also note that naval volunteers of the Indian Volunteers were entitled to the G in wreath and L in wreath worsted in scarlet on blue for qualification in the first part of the 20th Century. It may be that these were standard for some of the Colonial volunteers in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries. They were used in Australia but with gold or silver wire embroidery or yellow worsted. Keith Last edited by fairlie63; 18-10-16 at 07:55 AM.
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18-10-16, 05:42 AM
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thanks Keith
i would never have thought they were NZ if not for the makers labels. i had to buy them as they were in such nice condition for over 100 yrs old. i have a pretty nice little collection of Australian ones. i think your correct in saying most commonwealth countries seemed to use the same design but in different colours and finish. thanks for your quick reply bc
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18-10-16, 07:14 AM
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BC,
I have a feeling these might be Royal Marine Artillery items and made in NZ. Very nice items. regards
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Simon Butterworth Manchester Regiment Collector Rank, Prize & Trade Badges British & Commonwealth Artillery Badges Last edited by manchesters; 18-10-16 at 07:57 PM.
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#5
18-10-16, 08:17 AM
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A very nice set of late New Zealand Volunteer period badges. They were generally worn by NZ Artillery and Engineer Volunteers and would have been worn on their left sleeve above the cuff by ordinary ranks and above the chevrons for NCOs.
The top left (L within a wreath) is a Gun-laying proficiency badge circa 1903 to 1906 (but may have been worn up until 1910). The top centre I am not 100% sure, but believe it to be a Field Engineering proficiency badge circa 1903 to 1906 (but again may have been worn up until 1910). The top right (G within a wreath) is a Gunnery proficiency badge circa 1906 to 1910. There was also a “Distinguished” Gunnery proficiency badge where the “G” was in gold instead of red. The red Star in the centre is an Efficiency star circa 1906 to 1910, and was worn above the proficiency badges on the left arm. The bottom left (L within a wreath) is a Gun-laying proficiency badge circa 1906 to 1910. The bottom centre crossed cannons was awarded for 3 years efficient service as Garrison Artillery or Submarine Miners 1903 to 1906. The bottom right is a 1st Class Artillery Batteries or Companies proficiency badge circa 1906 to 1910. Gunner Cooper NZA.  “Distinguished” Gunnery proficiency badge in gold.  Gunnery proficiency badge in red worn in conjunction with a “Distinguished” Gunnery proficiency badge in gold. 
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18-10-16, 11:22 AM
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The point is their colour - Red on Blue.
Would that colour have been worn by NZAV gunners? regards
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Simon Butterworth Manchester Regiment Collector Rank, Prize & Trade Badges British & Commonwealth Artillery Badges Last edited by manchesters; 18-10-16 at 07:57 PM.
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#7
18-10-16, 11:53 AM
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hi atilla
the information you have provided is fantastic and much appreciated. i find it interesting to note the similarities to the australian patches and the differences. for example i don't believe there is an australian 1st Class Artillery Batteries and i don't remember seeing a Field Engineering proficiency badge like this one. the colour also interests me as has been pointed out. the Red on Blue. cheers bc
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#8
18-10-16, 07:35 PM
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New Zealand Skill-at-arms badges
Hi Atilla,
Something that struck me about that picture of Gunner Cooper is that the Layers badge is being worn on the left sleeve in conjunction with the prize badges. About 1899 the Layer badge was moved to the right arm to allow a prize badge to be worn on the left in most Brit colonies and in the RA I suppose too. I think it was worn this way until after the Great War. NZ has obviously taken a different path in regard to the award of prize and skill badges and their description, do you have a set of clothing regulations from that period that lists all the prize, trade and skills badge worn by NZ Forces? I am very interested in the subject Empire wide although I only collect to Australia post 1903. Cheers, Keith
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#9
18-10-16, 07:55 PM
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In the Royal Regiment of Artillery the L in Wreath Prize badge worn on the lower left sleeve became a badge of Appointment worn on the upper right sleeve in c1901.
Marc
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I am still looking for British Army cloth Formation, Regimental, Battalion, Company and other Unit sleeve badges, from 1980 onwards.
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#10
19-10-16, 07:54 AM
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Quote:
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The Robert family still make badges today in Palmerston North.  Quote:
   The Maxim (“or other machine gun”) detachment efficiency badge description is mentioned in ‘NZ Regulation No. 601 of December 1907’. — “Proficiency badge, consisting of the letter "M" in red, the distinguished badge being the letter in gold.”
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#11
19-10-16, 08:09 AM
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 Gunner Cowan 
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