Scots Guards Crimea Cap Badge

[Toby Purcell]

And here is the true Brodrick Cap, official nomenclature 'cap, forage, universal' (less Horse and Foot Guards).

[Toby Purcell]

And the Foot Guards pattern Battalion Staff Cap that was lost when the current pattern was introduced around 1905. Notice the thickly braided peak in officer pattern. SNCOs had the additional gold lace band seen on the colour image of the RQMS. In lieu of this the Scots Guards had thin gold piping around the top of the cap so as not to infringe upon their chequered band. It was this exact cap that was the first to have the semi-vertical (so-called 'slashed') peak that was resurrected by Foot Guards SNCOs after WW2. Photos before that date do not show it.

[Toby Purcell]

And just a small idea of what the Line Regiment Battalion Staff lost with no replacement of equal status.

[badger123]

Brilliant caps.

Can't say any more than that.

[Tinto]

This is a most interesting thread! I would also like to thank Toby for his useful comments and pictures.
All the Best,
Tinto

[grenadierguardsman]

Originally Posted by Toby Purcell

Before 1856 the Foot Guards had worn as undress headwear only a folding cloth forage cap with woven worsted badges similar to their collar badges. These caps were so popular that even when the new pill box and its later, 1900 replacement came into use, it was retained as a practical folding cap that could be carried more easily for use when on manoeuvres and in the field. During the later battles of the Crimean war it was used in action in lieu of the bearskin. Both officers and other ranks wore this popular cap. Officers (and probably battalion staff) with badges on the front, and other ranks with badges on the side. It also had coloured piping, red for Grenadiers, white for Coldstream and variegated red and white for Scots.

Toby
Just wondering if you own the Albert Cap shown, if you do could i have some images of it please.
Andy

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by grenadierguardsman

Toby
Just wondering if you own the Albert Cap shown, if you do could i have some images of it please.
Andy

If they were mine then the answer would be yes Andy, but they are not. All is far from lost though as they are publicly accessible after a bit of fiddling. They come from the wonderful American resource - the ' Anne S K Brown' military library/collection, an online resource. The wonderful glass plate images come from a set organised by a foot guards philanthropist who organised the sittings of wounded guardsmen with members of their family. These were then sold publicly as photos of heroes and the proceeds all went to a fund for orphans and the maimed. Let me know how you get on searching and if you get stuck I will try and help. One time I was successful in getting an image but for an even better one I was not. They are really wonderful photos.

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by badger123

As in 'you can't educate pork' (in other words some things such as pigs, are beyond being educated no matter how hard you try).

Clearly in this case you have managed to educate 'pork' as Andy so humbly calls himself!

I too have learned a lot from your posts.

Thanks, Ivan

Thank you for those kind words Ivan. Always glad to help the fellow enthusiasts that gather here, who I learn from too.

[mooke07]

Hi all,

A recent addition to my Scottish collection. The badge as the subject of this illuminating thread - Scots Guards OR's Broderick equivalent GM lugged cap star, worn 1902-05, 50x50mm (K&K 905). Bloomer at badge 10 shows a Victorian pugaree badge which although large than a standard a cap star I would image in was on a longer slider or would it have been lugged or with a broach pin.

Cheers Dean.

[2747andy]

Dean,
it was lugged N-S and also brooched! Shown here next to a standards OR's Cap Star.

Andy

[Toby Purcell]

I thought that forum members might like to see the Foot Guards pattern forage cap for Coldstream Guards a few years before WW1. It is rare to get such a close-up of the cap.