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Old 20-05-15, 09:54 PM
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Yes its a plastic ww2 issue but has two circular hollows in the back whereas the one i have in my collection only has one otherwise they are exactly the same.Mac
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Old 20-05-15, 10:15 PM
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Hi Bil

Thanks for that. The RCAC history goes on later about titles etc. I was speaking to cap badges. I look forward to Fabric of War.

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Could I trouble you for a close up of the Royal Canadian Dragoon badge?

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Old 21-05-15, 03:09 PM
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Interesting Para badge, I notice most of the plastic Para badges have that twist to the bottom. Also I have never seen a plastic Para badge with a makers name.
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Old 21-05-15, 03:47 PM
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I think its a collection, as the Para and Royal Marines and Artists Rifles are not armour related. Is the Para badge plastic?
And there is a badge from the Republic of Ireland. I assume they weren' t training there
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Old 21-05-15, 06:15 PM
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Old 21-05-15, 07:06 PM
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the 11th Army Tank Regiment (The Ontario Regiment (Tank)) later became the 11th Armoured Regiment (The Ontario Regiment (Tank)). .
I thought the (Tank) suffixes were dropped when they joined the Canadian Armoured Corps. (Tank) regiments were infantry designations, strangely enough.

Thus:

11th Canadian Army Tank Regiment (The Ontario Regiment)

and when the Churchills were turned in for Shermans

11th Canadian Armoured Regiment (The Ontario Regiment)
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Old 21-05-15, 09:58 PM
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Michael, The designations were taken directly from the DHH lineages site. Note "Canadian" is not included in the official lineage and it was designated 11th Armoured Regiment (The Ontario Regiment) August 26, 1943. That was long after the Ontario's had takent the Sherman into use.

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The regiment mobilized the 'The Ontario Regiment (Tank), CASF' for active service on 1 September 1939.20 It was redesignated: 'The Ontario Regiment (Tank), CASF' on 13 August 1940.21 It was converted to armour on 23 November 1940,22 and an army tank battalion on 11 February 1941, under the designation '11th Army Tank Battalion (The Ontario Regiment (Tank)), CAC, CASF'.23 It was redesignated: '11th Army Tank Regiment (The Ontario Regiment (Tank)), CAC, CASF' on 15 May 1942;24 '11th Armoured Regiment (The Ontario Regiment), CAC, CASF' on 26 August 1943;25 and '11th Armoured Regiment (The Ontario Regiment), RCAC, CASF' on 2 August 1945.26 On 21 June 1941 it embarked for Britain.27 The regiment landed in Sicily on 13 July 1943, as part of the 1st Canadian Armoured Brigade, and in Italy on 3 September 1943 in support of 17th Brigade, 5th British Division.28 On 8 March 1945 the regiment moved with the 1st Canadian Corps to North-West Europe, where it fought until the end of the war.29 The overseas regiment was disbanded on 15 December 1945.30http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhh-...bli/OR-eng.asp
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Old 21-05-15, 10:04 PM
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Michael, The designations were taken directly from the DHH lineages site. Note "Canadian" is not included in the official lineage and it was designated 11th Armoured Regiment (The Ontario Regiment) August 26, 1943. That was long after the Ontario's had takent the Sherman into use.

The Second World War

The regiment mobilized the 'The Ontario Regiment (Tank), CASF' for active service on 1 September 1939.20 It was redesignated: 'The Ontario Regiment (Tank), CASF' on 13 August 1940.21 It was converted to armour on 23 November 1940,22 and an army tank battalion on 11 February 1941, under the designation '11th Army Tank Battalion (The Ontario Regiment (Tank)), CAC, CASF'.23 It was redesignated: '11th Army Tank Regiment (The Ontario Regiment (Tank)), CAC, CASF' on 15 May 1942;24 '11th Armoured Regiment (The Ontario Regiment), CAC, CASF' on 26 August 1943;25 and '11th Armoured Regiment (The Ontario Regiment), RCAC, CASF' on 2 August 1945.26 On 21 June 1941 it embarked for Britain.27 The regiment landed in Sicily on 13 July 1943, as part of the 1st Canadian Armoured Brigade, and in Italy on 3 September 1943 in support of 17th Brigade, 5th British Division.28 On 8 March 1945 the regiment moved with the 1st Canadian Corps to North-West Europe, where it fought until the end of the war.29 The overseas regiment was disbanded on 15 December 1945.30http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhh-...bli/OR-eng.asp
Ah, per your quote, it looks like the (Tank) suffixes are deleted after the change to an Armoured Regiment rather than after inclusion in the CAC.

The "Canadian" term doesn't crop up in the designations but I find it interesting the cloth formation patches all read '11 CTR' or '11 CAR'.
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Old 22-05-15, 12:03 AM
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There was a stipulation that insignia was to clearly indicate the Canadian nationality. But the abbreviation CTR or CAR would not be much clearer than TR or AR.
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Old 22-05-15, 12:59 AM
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Hi Mac

Thank you for that. I would suggest that it is post-war.

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Attached is the relevant section from Sabretache, The Memorial Journal of the VIII Recce Association dealing with the draft of men for the VIII Recce (14 CLH). The draft was quite large. Most of them probably wore the 14 CLH cap badge and had those in their kit bag after they were required to buy the VIII Recce cap badged acquired by Lt.-Col. Mann.
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I picked up this badge yesterday. Chris Brooker's books say that this type of cap badge was issued, in brass, to the 2nd (Reserve) Battalion. This one has been chrome-plated. I'm thinking Band issue. Any thoughts from anyone else "

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The badge was worn by the militia regiment prior to the war. It was authorized in 1924. It was also worn by some personnel of the 8th Recce, and it was worn into the post war era until the 14 Cdn Hussars badges were authorized. Being plated it is likely worn on a blue patrol uniform. That could include bandsmen.
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The badge was worn by the militia regiment prior to the war. It was authorized in 1924. It was also worn by some personnel of the 8th Recce, and it was worn into the post war era until the 14 Cdn Hussars badges were authorized. Being plated it is likely worn on a blue patrol uniform. That could include bandsmen.
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Did all ranks wear the blue patrol uniform?
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Old 29-06-17, 12:25 AM
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It was not usual for junior ranks, eg troopers to have dress blues. They were a private purchase uniform.
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