whats with these colour patches?

[badgecollector]

hi all
what are your thoughts of these colour patches? not your standard patch and have the look of being hand made in japan/korea for the korean conflict. however, i didnt think there were that many units in korea especially needing locally made items.
what are your thoughts?
bc
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/381665464...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/291788105...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[3battalion]

By the looks of the bids someone thinks they are pretty special. The patches appear to have the same type of construction / material, possibly Japanese made.

Paul

[badgecollector]

hi paul
yeah, i would say japanese made, silk patches but were all those units actually in BCOF?
all mint condition so maybe from a manufacturers sample book?
bc

[3battalion]

My thoughts exactly BC.

A sales board displaying the types of available insignia.

Looks like it's going to be an expensive lot of colour patches!

Paul

[fairlie63]

Hi BC,

Had some of those post-1944 style patches previously, yes I think they are definitely Japanese made for BCOF, and are very nice.

The 9 Div patches and other non-BCOF odds and ends though are an anomaly, definitely period but why they might have been made in Japan I don't know.

The black triangle is more likely to be 33 Pl, J Coy, 2/1 Aust Guard Regt, than 22 MG Bn. There was a 22 Bn in the NZ component of BCOF and the former 27 MG Bn NZEF served there as 27 Bn but their patch was different (red diamond with black equilateral triangle in the upper half of the diamond).

Keith

[badgecollector]

thanks keith
i really like them and really want the BCON patch but they have gone to high and especially as you say with the 9 Div patches and other non-BCOF odds and ends which are an anomaly.why they would have been made/worn at that time and place who knows.
an interesting piece of history
thanks for your reply
cheers
bc

[irish]

It was not unusual for Japanese insignia manufacturers post war to get ahead of themselves. Manufacturing patches for units that would never make it to mainland Japan. There have been a number of U.S. Examples of this. About 10 years back an American dealer bought a large number of silk made patches from the family of one of these manufacturers. Within the group were WW1 units. What the man had apparently done was use a copy of the National Geographics magazine from 1943 that illustrated a history of sorts on US insignia and medals. Within it were examples of Patches worn by the U.S Expeditionary force in WW1, hence he made a large run of these.

The patches in the auction mentioned above might likely be the result of this Eagerness. I have always had an interest in occupation era Japanese made cloth insignia. Many are small works of art. Was also hoping to acquire some of these but as mentioned above it will be expensive. The anomalies are more interesting than BCOF pieces at least to me anyway.

[Bill A]

The same vendor has several more "pages" of titles available. All of the Canadian examples were the type sold by Patch King. These titles were specifically made for the collectors' market and were not authorized issues. Caveat emptor.

[BWEF]

Also, Dutch colonial:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/WWII-NETH...4AAOSwqBJXWiea

When did Dutch Guiana change its name to Suriname? Quite some time after the Dutch East Indies became Indonesia?

[irish]

Originally Posted by Bill A

The same vendor has several more "pages" of titles available. All of the Canadian examples were the type sold by Patch King. These titles were specifically made for the collectors' market and were not authorized issues. Caveat emptor.

Yes that looks to be the case. This must have been a collector who assembled these page. Having access to some Japanese made pieces post war.

[3battalion]

Dear Lord! Did everyone see what these went for?

Ridiculous.

Paul

[slick_mick]

Originally Posted by 3battalion

Dear Lord! Did everyone see what these went for?

Ridiculous.

Paul

Wow! Talk about crazy prices!

Mick

[badgecollector]

if they are what has been suggested, then they are extremely rare. i have only a few japanese made items.
http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ighlight=japan

there were 2 really keen bidders so good luck to the new owners
bc

[irish]

Originally Posted by slick_mick

Wow! Talk about crazy prices!

Mick

I watched the closing seconds, and was shocked to say the least. When the New Zealand board sold at $1300 my jaw dropped.