STAR & CRESCENT

[magpie]

Anyone got any idea's on this gilded and heavy pinbacked badge, 46mm wide 50 tall.

Thanks Andy

[GriffMJ]

Berkshire Yeo Pagri....

[magpie]

I don't know if it's the same as i think the berkshire star seems to have 6 or more arms to it, but i'd be happy to be wrong.

Andy

[Phil2M]

I've seen one before, but, I really can't remember where

[GriffMJ]

Originally Posted by magpie

I don't know if it's the same as i think the berkshire star seems to have 6 or more arms to it, but i'd be happy to be wrong.

Andy

Its the sabretache version...converted.

[magpie]

Thank you Griff it looks like it doesn't it, got any idea on the age of that picture.

[GriffMJ]

Best guess is the Great War..... they spent most of their time in the "hot places" Egypt, Gallipoli, Western Frontier etc..... then on the Western front in 1918 towards the end of the War.

* The back of your Pagri badge has still got its gilt finish...... the front has been polished back to the gilding metal (or sandblasted)

[magpie]

The back is Matt and untouched, the front has dulled on the inner circle and star with the outer looking like it's been burnished but not by the badge maker.

[Quicksilver]

FYI the same design in bronze is worn as collars by officers of 94 (Berkshire Yeomanry) Signal Squadron (V). They wear a Royal Signals cap badge either metal or wire wove with a blue backing on the wire wove. Other ranks wear the anodized White Horse collars. Brass shoulder titles BERKS YEO are worn or a two tier black embroidered Berkshire Yeomanry on green epaulets is worn on some orders of dress. This info is about 10 years old so there may have been some changes. Hopefully the sqn still exists!
Quicksilver.

[Silver Tourist]

Good evening.

Has no one yet got the right answer to this yet?

This is easy, entry level stuff. And no, I don't think you will find its Berkshire. That's six points: check out the hallmarked silver collars (big pile of same on my famous desk), or Westlake & Churchill (a bit "Janet & John", but it has its uses).

I'll give you a clue: try the idiot's guide to badge misidentification, also known as Cox. Date is 1908-22.

And, if you'd got a run of that nice Mr Bosley's Catalogues you'd have seen one several Sales ago, correctly identified.

Enjoy.

S.T.

Where's my lighted taper?

[GriffMJ]

So The sabretache & Pagri badge seen in the images above are wrong then ST?

Are you going to tell me that its a "4th Btn 9th Jat Regiment"?

here are a couple more.... and japanned undress (the last two I have shown are crocodile skin).

[4966Ian]

Hi there,

As S.T. mentions the Berkshire Yeomanry have generally used the 6 pointed star within the points of a crescent. (N.B. Portsmouth Police and City use or used to use a similar design but with an 8 pointed star). Please see Berks Yeomanry collar badge below, for the 6 pointed star design.

I say generally as Hungerford from which the star and crescent device comes from have generally used the 6 pointed star - though there were earlier occasions when Hungerford used a 5 pointed star. So by inference the local Yeomanry troop may also have used a 5 pointed star during this period. No proof - just a feeling. (see below )

I have the following Georgian Officer's waist belt plate, which is supposedly to the Hungerford Troop or Berkshire Yeomanry. But no proof it is what it claims to be. And as you can see this has a 5 pointed star. Anybody got any ideas what else it could be?

As far as I know the Berkshire Yeomanry used a diamond shaped cloth (Silk for Officers and Felt for ORs) badge on their pagris, which was in the regimental colours (Dark Blue/Red/Yellow/Red/Dark Blue). Though that is not say they didn't use metal badges of some design.

I believe a lot of the 5 pointed star & sabretache confusion comes from Carmens book - Yeomanry and Other Sabretaches (Page 13 - Fig. 8) in which he claims a black leather sabretache with a gilt crescent with a 5 pointed star within it, was to the Berkshire Yeomanry. I am led to believe that he later realised his mistake. But it was too late - once its in print and out in the real world it gets repeated and repeated. I have spoken to the Museum about it and they can find no proof or documentary evidence of the use of a 5 pointed star.

As always with this hobby, never say never - and no doubt someone more learned than me will know differently.

Cheers

Ian

[GriffMJ]

I am happy that the sabretache is correct.... and the Pagri is a converted Sabretache badge. Until proven otherwise.

[zob]

Originally Posted by magpie

Anyone got any idea's on this gilded and heavy pinbacked badge, 46mm wide 50 tall.

Thanks Andy

I think it's Indian Army WW1 vintage. 18th Infantry - I hope I'm not sticking my neck out too far here.

Regards,

Zob.

[manchesters]

Originally Posted by zob

I think it's Indian Army WW1 vintage. 18th Infantry - I hope I'm not sticking my neck out to far here.

Regards,

Zob.

Thats what 'COX' says as ST stated.

regards