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Unknown Shamrock and Stringed Bugle badges
Hello,
I was given a quantity of badges at the weekend, but these two have me stumped Any help will be gratefully received, Andy Last edited by Nozzer; 17-02-18 at 10:24 PM. |
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The stringed bugle with 83 is to the 83rd Wallajahabad Light Infantry (Indian Army 1903-1922).
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Andy,
83rd Wallajahbad Light Infantry, possibly a collar, hard to tell. Shamrock looks like Girl Guides. regards
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Thanks for that
The 83rd badge is about 3cm across Simon (note the measure). All the images of shamrocks worn by Girl Guides that I could find had either a star, GG or a combination of both on them. Still, I am no expert........ Regards, Andy |
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It doesn't look like Girl Guides to me. It could be one of the many Irish bands?
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Did the Irish Guards not wear a collar like this?
Eddie |
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This Shamrock design is generally held to be sealed pattern 5134/1901 worn only on the Scarlet Frock when abroad. It is sometimes called collar badge for foreign service. It was sealed 21/05/1901 [WO359/11 p79].
I reference it as such in my own collection but have yet to see a sealed pattern card or photograph to provide hard proof. In use essentially for only the "Boer War" by the IG mounted infantry contingent. John |
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I believe that the shamrock may be a South African Irish Collar badge. I think that the London Irish wore something similar to at one stage.
Regards, Dave |
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I have never seen this shamrock design attributed to the S.A. Irish. The attached article from Kommando Magazine Dec 1967 may be of interest. I am not suggesting that it is definitive but badge 5 is the only shamrock design collar badge I have seen attributed to the S.A. Irish. Likewise I have never seen it attributed to the London Irish - only the style of shamrock represented by badge 5 in the attachment. I would be happy to learn otherwise. kind regards John |
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John,
I believe you are right! I had it in my head S.A. Irish. What do you think is it closer to the NSW Irish Rifles? |
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I would incline to pre-1901 8th Regiment NSW Irish rifles. They had the badge with the number 8, probably worn on an epaulette, and a shamrock as a collar badge, I think worn in brass, WM and oxidised.
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http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/REL30349.003/ http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/REL30349.002/ http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-...rish_rifle.htm This last article claims that the earlier collars were white metal shamrocks. sincerely John |
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Not that it is wholly definitive I should also add the image below photographed from the IG regimental insignia display at the Guards Museum ?(do not know if it is still there).
I should contact Gary Gibbs for some follow up. |
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Thank you all
Andy |
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I think that John has hit the nail on the head in I.D.ing it with the Irish Guards!
I was not aware that the Guards wore this badge, so something new learned! Thanks John, another item to add to the wants list............:roll eyes: Dave |
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