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Old 03-04-18, 01:15 PM
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Default Helmet plates, Welsh Regt, E Yorks, Manchester

I picked up these three helmet plates yesterday from a non militaria specialising stallholder at a local flea market. They were pretty dirty and so far I have only cleaned the Welsh Regiment one.

The HPCs look to be O.K. having all four loops. However, I am a little concerned about the backing plates as each of them have three lugs rather than two loops.

I was told that they had come from a house clearance and were part of a larger collection of cap badges.

I suspect that they might be, in part, old fakes, possibly using original HPCs.

I would welcome your thoughts on their originality.
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Old 03-04-18, 01:38 PM
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Hi Simon,
I see no reason for the plates not being genuine, they are found with 3 as well as 2 lugs. The crowns are good and detail front and reverse fine.
Good luck with any cleaning/restoring, I think you have a job on your hands there.
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Thanks Paul, I am very pleased to hear that. I was worried because examples that I have seen in various albums have two East West loops on the backing plate in line with those of the HPC, thus allowing one split pin to hold both the backing plate and the HPC to the centre, as in this example borrowed from another thread.

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Old 03-04-18, 01:55 PM
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Simon,
Generally when attached to the Helmet you will only find holes for the back plate lugs and then pins used for securing inside,the HPC loops are usually found bent over as seen on your examples.
Paul
I’m not a big fan of the loops on the other example you show, rather large holes would have to be pierced into the Helmet and a very strong cotter type pin used to secure it in place
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The three examples you show in post 1 appear to have distinct age and consistent toning of centres and plates - sometimes a giveaway for concern when centres and plates do not appear matched. I agree with Simon regarding the rather large plate loops on the other example you show.
There is a question of how enthusiastic you should be in cleaning items, to me they have character and I am sure you will deal with them sympathetically - of course this is a matter of choice and others will have different preferences.
A lovely find
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Old 03-04-18, 04:23 PM
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Mike,

I appreciate your comments regarding cleaning and keeping the patina. I have now soaked all three in warm soapy water and brushed them with a nylon nail brush before carefully drying them. I will not be cleaning them any further.

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Hi Simon
Sounds good to me
Very nice too
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Great looking examples, would have also grabbed these in a heart beat. Congrats. A nice toning to the metal.
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A good find, the plates and centres look as though they have been together for quite some time.

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I picked up these three helmet plates yesterday from a non militaria specialising stallholder at a local flea market. They were pretty dirty and so far I have only cleaned the Welsh Regiment one.

The HPCs look to be O.K. having all four loops. However, I am a little concerned about the backing plates as each of them have three lugs rather than two loops.

I was told that they had come from a house clearance and were part of a larger collection of cap badges.

I suspect that they might be, in part, old fakes, possibly using original HPCs.

I would welcome your thoughts on their originality.
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