Big titles for little boys

[Peter Brydon]

A cloth Liverpool Collegiate CCF title I won on E bay arrrived today ( picture atached ).

Whilst it is now in two lines, I am sure that originally it was a one piece item the same as the one already in my collection which is also pictured.

The unit was originally a cadet unit affiliated to the 6th Kings (Liverpool Rifles ) and when it bacame an OTC it was affliliated to the South Lancs Regiment. As a CCF unit it was affilliated to the Liverpool Scottish and when the Liverpool Scottish Museum was open they had a battledress blouse to the Liverpool Collegiate CCF on display ( see third picture )

As can be seen on the battledress blouse the cloth title at the top of the sleeve just says Liverpool Collegiate and there is a second title "CCF " white letters on a red square lower down on the sleeve.

I think that perhaps the full single piece cloth title was too long for wear on the sleeve of young cadets and hence the attempts at producing a shorter title.

Anyone any thoughts or other examples of such modifications ?

P.B.

[BILL DUGGAN]

It has probably been shortened by somebody to put on an arm brassard. Brassards seem to be the main item of Cadet Force apparell nowadays for displaying formation badges, rank and every other badge that the young lad can be proud of.

[Peter Brydon]

Bill,
An interesting thought, the school closed in 1987, I know that cadets generally now wear a lot of insignia on brassards

Brassards were being used by the regular army in Korea, does anyone know when they started to be worn by cadets ?

P.B.

[badjez]

Peter,

I also have a Hertfordshire school CCF title that has been cut down for wear on a brassard. Sorry I cannot be more specific but I don't have access to my collection at present.

For info
Minutes of Meeting of ADC, dated 11/06/71, record proposal to introduce brassards for CCF whilst in Jersey Order. Committee approved the proposal in theory but not at public expense pending further investigation into cost. Subsequently bales of sub-standard material, for which there was no other use, was made available. (WO32/32444)

Stephen.

[Peter Brydon]

Thanks Stephen,

That goes towards confirming Bills suggestion

Peter

[oc14]

Originally Posted by 8thfoot

does anyone know when they started to be worn by cadets ?

P.B.

Peter

I was issued a Brassard as a cadet in 1974

Hope that helps

Paul L

[Peter Brydon]

Thanks Paul.

Peter

[raesherwood]

Unknown in my days, CCF c.1959-1963, ACF 1964, but then it was in Sussex.

[Alan O]

The same modification was/is done for Bournemouth School Combined Cadet Force. The curved Combined Cadet Force long title was fine for the RN section jumpers but the Army and RAF sections had to cut them in to 2 pieces to fit on their brassards. The Bournemouth School patch was separate with red lettering on a drak blue rectangle.

[Peter Brydon]

Thanks Alan,

I also used to have a Sandbach School CCF title in two parts which I now think ( in the light of what has been said in this thread ) was deliberately cut into two parts for wearing on a brassard, something which did not occur to me when I had the item.

Peter